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Author Topic: 3Libras (played by ear)  (Read 3945 times)
Mech1031
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« on: December 25, 2004, 03:52:23 PM »

ok, so it's only the intro.  but i played the whole thing by ear (the intro that is).  for those of you who don't know what i'm talking about, i'm talking about the "A perfect circle" song "3 libras".  this is a step up for me seeing as it's a bit harder song to learn than others i've tried.  see, i have what my guitar teacher called "the gift" where i can hear a song, then play it.  so tell me what you think.

http://furpiled.digitalblackie.com/3Libras_intro.wav
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« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2004, 04:20:02 PM »

The way I learned to play that was (don't know if it's the same as you are doing)


E----------------------------------
B--------0-----0------0-----0---
G----------------------------------
D-----------2--------------2------
A--------0---------0--0---------0
E----------------------------------

I think that's it, don't have my guitar on me to check though.  To move to the higher notes I think the two open notes moved to the 4th fret and D moved down to 6  (then maybe 8 and 11).  I may be wrong, but your's sounded very well.

EDIT:  Now that I think of it, it may be like this:

E------------------------------------
B--------0---------0--0----------0-
G------------------------------------
D-----------2--------------2--------
A--------0-----0------0------0-----
E----------------------------------
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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2004, 04:48:35 PM »

hm... i'll have to give that a try when i have my guitar handy.  but this is the way i was playin it (standard tunning btw):

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E|------------------------
B|-3------3--3------3--3--
G|----0---------0---------
D|------------------------
A|-3----3----3----3----3--
E|------------------------
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2004, 12:49:52 AM »

Quote from: "Mech1031"
 see, i have what my guitar teacher called "the gift" where i can hear a song, then play it.  so tell me what you think.


hee, the gift, lemme tell you that this is not really a gift, but only proves that you improved your guitar play. you start to know where to find a tone that sounds like the one you just heard form the record. getting faster at this (and every guitarplayer that puts some effort in his play experiences that) means you can figure out songs faster. leave that teacher, teachers are crap, learn it yourself.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2004, 02:09:01 AM »

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leave that teacher, teachers are crap, learn it yourself.


That has to be the greatest truth that has been written ever.
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2004, 02:16:43 AM »

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Quote from: "marzecTM"
leave that teacher, teachers are crap, learn it yourself.


That has to be the greatest truth that has been written ever.


note:  i'm replying to both of you.

i said "Had told me" in the previous post.  meaning i used to have a guitar teacher.  obviously i don't anymore.  i don't think anybody needs a guitar teacher after the first few months (although nobody every really "needs" one).  i've been on my own for about 4 years now (six years total experience).  and i learned more on my own within a week than i did those 2 years.
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2004, 02:23:48 AM »

Guitar teachers suck. I had one many years ago as well. I was just getting back into playing and wanted some "formal instruction". Well, the guy I got was only interested in teaching how to play lead, but I wanted to play rhythm. But I figured "what the hell", and "played along". The problem was that I had played lead in a band in high school before I damaged my left wrist in a work accident, and I knew I'd never be able to play lead again. But I stuck it out anyways (I didn't pay for the lessons). About the only thing useful I learned was the diatonic scale. Eight weeks of lessons and that's all I learned. I stopped going and played on my own in the style I now preferred, and became quite good for awhile. Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2004, 02:31:47 AM »

I can play guitar, and I taught myself.

People are amazed when I do my "Dying Cat" song...   yeah... but they never give me money... most of the time it's just like a smelly old boot or something, and they never drop in into the case, they throw it... but, I'm sure you've all had similar experiences... right?  right??   No?   hmm...
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2004, 03:08:26 AM »

Whee, second bitter post this evening. Go me.
Have you guys ever had a good guitar teacher? No? So they don't exist?
A good guitar teacher won't teach you how to do everything and what's 'right', he'll critique what you're doing and give you perfectly logical and helpful ideas on how to improve.
My 'guitar teacher' (become more of a fellow musician/jam buddy/general music teacher--if I need to know something about music that is) teaches me what I want to know (as opposed to having a set schedule), and/or gives suggestions on my playing, and when I don't feel like I need to learn anything at a certain time or don't really feel like it that day/week, we basically just hang out.
If you think not everyone can afford this-- He charges ten bucks an hour and doesn't do it just for the money.
I know some of you (adosorken especially) will likely suggest that he IS in it just for the money and how I shouldn't trust him to be a friend and all that crap.
Well for once in my life I'm gonna say...
Fuck you. I'll do what I can do and what I think is right.
Oh, and by the way, yeah I do realize I'm currently being the typical 'angsty know-it-all teenager'. Well, if the angst is gonna pass, I might as well enjoy while it lasts, right?
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2004, 03:13:43 AM »

fuck you too, you angsty teenager :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:
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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2004, 10:46:29 AM »

If you keep getting that bitter, you will turn red :lol:

I learned to play bass, guitars, keyboards, flute, melodica, percussions and metalophone by myself. That's why I think that you don't need a teacher. It's a waste of money, unless you need classical instruction to play the Oboe.

To master music you have to study. Understand harmony and music theory. You don't need a teacher for that.

To master an instrument you have to play it all day long. You don't need a teacher for that.

Or at least I didn't need one. And I am not "gifted" nor specially intelligent.
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2004, 11:37:44 AM »

agreeing on everything nathan said...
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2004, 01:10:04 PM »

me too.  If I had patience I could learn to play the piano without a teacher...  my mom says I should... But I'm too lazy!!  ARGH MY LAZINESS!!
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2004, 06:44:01 PM »

It's not that guitar teachers suck.

I had one for about 2 lessons.  He was a total dude, excellent musician, a great friend and jam partner.

But, the thing with playing guitar is style.  Unfortunately, most people don't realise that style is the most important thing to learn first.

I personally think if a beginner was to take lessons, he should start after 6 months of playing, so he has his own natural style.

I am pretty much completely self taught.  Outside of classical guitar (inc. flamenco), technique is fairly easy and can be picked up with practice.

The only thing I think should be taught is flamenco guitar.  The problem is, the technique is extremely difficult to master and has to be perfect.  I have learned from personal experience, stuff like repeated rasguedos and classical sweeps are things that you just cannot learn from a bunch of pictures or text.  It has to be shown.  Now that can be a friend, a teacher, anyone.  Doesn't matter.

Great thing about guitar is, you can play most string instruments once you know the tuning.

I can play the guitar, bass, sitar, mandolin, banjo, oud (arabic instrument), and even violin (plucking though, my friend's bow is 200$ and he doesn't let me use it).

As for playing by ear.  Well, it's no 'gift.'  People aren't naturally better or anything, it comes with practice.

When I started, I was completely tone deaf.  Now I can pick out complex jazz stuff, classical stuff, etc etc.

And finally, the 3 libra's.

Well, your fingering is correct, but for standard tuning it's not.  The other way, while not accurate, gives the proper key and makes it easier to sing to as well.

You way, should you tune to C# Standard (if I remember correctly) would then work.

When I get a bunch of money, then, I will buy lots of guitars and just keep them in the tunings I want.  One day...*sigh*
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