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« on: May 08, 2004, 10:16:53 PM »

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Although this board will tolerate debate on almost any topic, any debate that is about a "sensitive" topic (think religion, race etc), or any debate that users turn into a "sensitive" debate, will be locked.. This does not mean they can not be discussed but rather they need to be discussed carefully. If these topics get out of hand due to inappropriate posts/etc they will be locked or removed.


So our "passion of christ" thread wasn't being discussed carefully?
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2004, 07:06:58 AM »

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So our "passion of christ" thread wasn't being discussed carefully?


Most of the discussion was fine, it was the initial start of the discussion that I did not like. I don't know how you see it, but I think lighter discussions are nicer here than more heavy ones.

But if the discussion of heavier or unrelated topics is what you really wish, I will work on something that hopefully can have that but still allow people here to do either or both.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2004, 09:51:54 AM »

Why not have a debate and discussion forum?
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2004, 10:04:18 AM »

I'm ok for that idea... at first I didn't think such a thing was for QbasicNews but due to recent postings I think it may be a good thing. But if such a forum were to be made it wouldn't be a "free-for-all" forum or something where you can flame to your hearts content. It would be just for controlled/calm/whatever debates or discussions on whatever you like.

And of course the forum name and a sticky at the top of the forum would contain sufficient warnings that things may be posted about "sensitive" topics... basically a "read at your own risk" idea. Heh.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2004, 10:30:29 AM »

Well, a talk about sensitive topics does not mean that they are gonna get out of hand, as demonstrated. Just look through the last examples of sensitive talk (about war, politics or religion).

My very point is that okay, you're right, if I want to talk about religion I should look for a forum about religion, *BUT* if a conversation in the general section turns into religion, politics, or anything... why not keep with it? Just that. The amount of posts about religion is not that high to be afraid that the forum becomes a council. I think we just have enough.

This is just what happens when there's free talk: people begin talkin about their interest. So it is normal that conversations turn into religious conversations. Blitz's first post about the film may had been a little harsh, but it's his style and I think we are everyone accustomed to it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2004, 10:56:05 AM »

Well the thing we're trying to avoid is keeping people from becoming offended and therefore... losing a potential new visitor to this place. A topic does not have to get out of hand for someone to be offended. I didn't lock that topic because it was out of hand. In fact it was progressing very nicely for a topic on religion (I've seen some nasty ones on other forums heh). In all honesty I locked it because I sort of "snapped" after reading all the debate on the rules. It wasn't even the place for such a thing. Wildcard made a simple request and it kind of got twisted around a bit... sortof. Definitely not the most intelligent decision I ever made. But whatever, life goes on.

Anyway... that's all we're trying to do. To not offend people. I don't know how many people we have offended with some topics (it may turn out we haven't offended anybody... on the other hand we could have but not heard anything about it... I don't honestly know) but I would like to do our best to keep it from happening as best we can.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2004, 01:01:26 PM »

Quote from: "sumojo"
Why not have a debate and discussion forum?


And a general forum?

And a general about QB forum?

And a...


Err...
(No pun intended towards Sumo)


There was a debate/discussion forum, it was called general.

Just to be clear, what are we supposed to talk about, in general, in the general forum?

What we had for lunch?
Or, the überc00l new P4 with hyperthreading? (or is that a sensitive topic)


Either make this a PURE QB forum, or make some very, very, very, clear rules.

Like: "Only post stupid braindead things in the general section."


You claim you don't allow people to talk "freely" (some limits might be needed, but not really, but if you want them, sure) because that will scare potential new visitors/people away?

Ohh, so... you want to live in a harsch dictatorship where freespeech doesen't exist, and you get banned for complaining?

Democracy - Dictatorship

What's this forum? A closed down, inner circle/elite ruled, dictated forum.
Or a free, happy, flourishing free for all forum?




BTW, can I snap too? [imagine random link to child porn site here]

It's ok, I just snapped, this is a perfectly valid discussion, but I snapped so [another link]


If admins go above the rules, then other people will stop listening.
If you lock a topic and claim it's because of the rules, then don't go about and change the rules after you've locked the topic.

You changed the General Forum description AFTER posting in the thread saying it was out of line.


You say this is a QB only forum, then make it one, remove everything non-QB.. that's:
General
Art & Music
General Programming
Site/Forum Issues (that's not QB, so why have it, people can PM.)


You say that harsh rules are needed. They are not. Just look at TBN (This is an example, I'm not bringing this into this discussion, don't debate my chooise to use TBN here)

And if you want a pure forum, feel free to have a look at the Novix forum (http://www.Novix.tk) pure Novix.

It's not that hard, make it happen if you really want it.


But don't change rules, lock topics (even if they are ok) jump members for doing something that you personally don't like, aso.

Grow up. You're admins, you should act as examples for the entire forum. You're not allowed to snap, make misstakes and so on. If you do them anyways you shouldn't be admins.

Imagine a general making the misstake of sending 10'000 close ragne, light armed troops against 1'000 heavy armored tanks.
I don't think he would stay general for long, do you?
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2004, 01:05:49 PM »

I think we should respect the forum rules.

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In all honesty I locked it because I sort of "snapped" after reading all the debate on the rules.


Your intention was good. But it was counter productive to your second intention.

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Anyway... that's all we're trying to do. To not offend people.


Z!re: I was trying to ignore your arrogant posts for sometime now. Everytime I read your posts I see your idleness. Its saddening. You're being rude and insulting. I dont think any of the posts are filled with anger or insults as yours *is*.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2004, 01:38:16 PM »

I'm not mad.. I'm making a point.

If they can, why can't we all?


Arrogant?
Idleness? (huh? Care to explain idleness?)

And I'm not insulting anyone, I'm still making valid points, sure my posts are a bit provocative, and that's the point.


You might think it's ok for the admins to do whatever they want, and change rules and jump on forum members freely.

Well, congrats to you then. Because if we all just sit back, then you'll have exactly that.

Admins do make misstakes, but if they do they should correct them, like Oracle did, credits to him.


Admins should not lock/close topics and then, afterwards, change to rules to justify the lock/closeing.

You are arrested for a crime, but it's not in the law yet, it will be in a year or so, just wait in prison and we will tell you.

Proceed to directly to prison, do not pass "Go".
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2004, 01:43:33 PM »

Z!re I can see that there's going to be no pleasing you so I'm not going to try.

Frankly, I'm not perfect, nor do I ever claim to be. I make mistakes... we all do.

All I have to say is that it's not worth getting all upset over this. Really... calm down.  :roll:
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2004, 01:51:17 PM »

Lol, I am calm, sorry if I did sound upset. If I don't like the forum I'll simply leave so.


My point is that you (the admins) are acting kinnda strange, In MY opinion.

You lock topics and jump posts, even if they are perfectly valid, and did follow the rules.


You don't arrest someone for a crime that's not even a crime yet.
You make the law, and after that you arrest.


Quickhost.tk was a valid post, and Oracle realized, and it was fixd, everything is fine.

The Passion of Christ thread was very civil, no flaming/name calling and noone getting upset. Sure some posts were very "anti-religious" (including mine) but so? That's not reason to lock it, or atleast it wasn't.



And I can get pleased *drops pants* Cheesy  j/k

Seriously, I don't have anything against the admins you are doing a great job, most of the time.

But when you do wrong I'm going to tell you, even if I'm the only one who thinks you did wrong.

Worst case would mean I'd have to use PM instead.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2004, 01:57:23 PM »

Well.... anyway you make some good points. Some of the things we do can be a little weird I suppose (especially my locking the Passion topic).

Anyway, I think we should all move past this. The rules I think should pretty much stay as they are now so as not to confuse anyone.

If any changes are made it'll basically be the creation of some "debate" forum or whatever that I really think will solve a lot of "problems" and changing the rules to say that any posts on sensitive topics go in there.

Sounds good to me anyway....
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2004, 01:59:23 PM »

Yeah, well, as long as the rules are clear and posts aren't locked at random after random amount of time, I'm happy =)
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2004, 02:43:17 PM »

Quote from: "Z!re"
Arrogant?
Idleness? (huh? Care to explain idleness?)


No, I dont have excessive time on my hands as you do.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2004, 04:17:36 PM »

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
Quote from: "Z!re"
Arrogant?
Idleness? (huh? Care to explain idleness?)


No, I dont have excessive time on my hands as you do.


What does that have to do with anything? :roll:

I think the rules are ok, and it's ok to enforce them as long as it's consistant and fair. For the most part, the general forum was pretty controlled. Oracle made a mistake in the quickhost, it was fixed, we moved on. I dont think closing the passion thread was the hottest idea, but I'm sure we can move on from that too. I think the important thing is to keep the channels of communication open, and know that we like this forum and we dont want people to leave because of silly things like this. If things get out of control, then by all means, please step in. But if things are running smoothly, then feel good that everyone is behaving and enjoying the forum. If it aint broke, dont fix it Wink
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