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« Reply #180 on: November 24, 2003, 11:46:43 AM »

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The US is a representative democracy, like all democracies in the world, and it instills representative democracies.

 
That's very funny, indeed, considering on what you are doing at Guantanamo. Those Afghanistan people can be terrorists, but they are not animals. Human Rights? What for?

Jesus Christ himself taught once: "You see the small twig in your pal's eye before you notice the big log in yours". Meh.
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« Reply #181 on: November 24, 2003, 11:48:57 AM »

http://www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us/essays/democracy.html

http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/28597.html

http://www.webref.org/sociology/r/representative_democracy.htm

http://www.thepenn.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/07/07/3f09ba48aebb6

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-democracy.htm

http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/_d10/_v10/__show_article/_a000010-000639.htm

http://www.representativedemocracy.org/

http://www.ncsl.org/public/trust/republic_ad.htm

http://www.knowledge.state.va.us/cgi-bin/lesview.cgi?idl=378

http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html

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 However, this still allows for a wide spectrum. The classic is the Roman Republic, in which only a tiny percentage of citizens, members of the nobility, were allowed to vote for the Senators, who made the laws and also acted as Rome's supreme court. Most people would say that Rome was a Republic, but not a democracy, since it was very close to being an oligarchy, rule by the few.
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« Reply #182 on: November 24, 2003, 11:50:46 AM »

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Let me guess....erm.....the media?  :lol:


I think there is nothing to laugh of. I consider it is clear that you are laughing at my statements so you are laughing at me.

Yeah, the media. A nice combination of local TV channels (one of our cameramen was killed by the Americans who claimed that they mistook his camera with a bazooka), CNN, Al Yashira, the Internet, the Palestinian Authority Web Site, a lot of webs from Spanish newspapers, and the fact that I've been to Jerusalem and I've seen it all.


Well, for me media is media. They are a bunch of liars. I am not laughing at you. But I am just wondering how you all can trust them. They always have and do spread lies, twist words, stretch the truth.

Dont take their reports as facts. Try and visit the place and *see* for yourself and speak with the locals. I know the truth is far different from what you see on TV or read in the newspapers. I know because I have visited Kashmir and one of my closest relatives was in Israel  :Huh:
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« Reply #183 on: November 24, 2003, 11:52:30 AM »

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[...] and the fact that I've been to Jerusalem and I've seen it all.


Just quoting myself.
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« Reply #184 on: November 24, 2003, 01:21:11 PM »

Agamemnus you have still failed to prove that the US is NOT a republic. Every book here in the library says the govt type is a federal republic with strong democratic tradition.
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« Reply #185 on: November 24, 2003, 09:30:28 PM »

You said that the US is a republic. The US is not a republic, it is a Republic. Do you see the difference?

The US is a representative democracy. Look up the definition. I have provided you with many links.
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« Reply #186 on: November 24, 2003, 09:43:23 PM »

i dont think any one is going to be swayed
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« Reply #187 on: November 24, 2003, 10:07:26 PM »

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i dont think any one is going to be swayed


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« Reply #188 on: November 24, 2003, 10:11:51 PM »

Cos ya losing? Nah, that'd be unfair to the others :lol:
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« Reply #189 on: November 25, 2003, 12:47:38 AM »

Interesting Agamemnus...the only articles which claim America to be a "representative democracy" are

(1) an opinion by William Meyers
(2) an uneducated man named Tom Huppi (who???)

The remaining articles only speak of what a representative democracy is. However, take a gander at these resources:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=republic
This is what the US is.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy
This is what individual states are.

http://www.senate.gov/~byrd/speech-repub.htm
This outlays exactly what the US government is.

http://www.nps.gov/liho/writer/1864.htm
President Lincoln on the 1864 Presidential Election, where he clearly names the USA as a Republic.

http://www.house.gov/bernie/town_meeting/1999/BrattleboroUnionHighSchool2.html
A speech by Matt Sheldon, representing Bernard Sanders, former mayor of Burlington Vermont (where I spent 11 years of my life), classifying the US as a representative democracy. This document is laden with non-political rhetoric and personal opinions, hence it is wholly inadmissible as legitimate.

http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/constitution_history.html
How the US became a Republic, in detail.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
From the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States of America, CLEARLY listing the United States of America as a CONSTITUTION-BASED (which means 'limited government') FEDERAL REPUBLIC with STRONG DEMOCRATIC TRADITION.

Notice that all of my links are actual legitimate sources, and yours...well...aren't.
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« Reply #190 on: November 25, 2003, 12:57:39 AM »

The facts will provide for themselves.
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« Reply #191 on: November 25, 2003, 01:01:12 AM »

government or no government, you guys confuse me with your big words.  why cant we just say we do things one way, you do things another way, neither of our ways are wrong.  besides, what it all boils down to is that we all have to voice our opinions.  and sometimes people don't like your opinions.  nuts to those people, let them say what they want to.  just cause you don't answer a threatening post or a mockery doesn't make you a coward, it makes him look like a complete and total moron.  oh, wait...one second.  I have a line that will explain why QBnews is (or was)  going to be shut down.  ehem...

Can't you see all this fighting is tearing us apart!!!

sorry, but it had to be said.  all in all, say what you want, but keep the mom jokes above the belt :wink:
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« Reply #192 on: November 25, 2003, 01:06:48 AM »

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The facts will provide for themselves.

...and I just provided said facts. Sorry Agamemnus...you lose. Trying to disprove the documentation of the CIA is going to be VERY difficult, but...I welcome you to try.

Have a good sleep. Cheesy

mech...this isn't fighting, it's called a heated debate. HUGE difference. Besides, it's not breaking any forum rules.
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« Reply #193 on: November 25, 2003, 05:25:30 AM »

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Can't you see all this fighting is tearing us apart!!!


What fighting? This has been a whole thread of nice arguing without flame wars. Even with Agamemnus who has his own definitions for everything.
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« Reply #194 on: November 25, 2003, 10:47:35 AM »

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[...] and the fact that I've been to Jerusalem and I've seen it all.


Just quoting myself.


Whatever
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