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« Reply #150 on: November 23, 2003, 12:42:33 AM »

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I read that na_th_an. Firstly, the major problem with something like this is that it cannot be proven true by an internet source. I could just go and say "oh qbasicnews.com is a terrorist front for radical islam" and would the US gov't go and "shut it down"? Prolly yes, but that's not exactly my point, harhar.


Well, during the whole year I've seen images of almost every action listed on TV. From different sources. As I said, it's great that they show everything on Spanish TV, both sides of the problem, not just one.

And I won't call "dying in crossfire" when innocent people are in their homes and they get bombed by F-16.
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« Reply #151 on: November 23, 2003, 01:06:35 AM »

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And I won't call "dying in crossfire" when innocent people are in their homes and they get bombed by F-16.


Israel destroys homes of terrorists.
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« Reply #152 on: November 23, 2003, 04:25:54 AM »

You can't bomb a house without taking out the ones next to it.  That's how bombs work.  You kill a person in a house, you bomb his wife and children, and neighbors.

or are you suggesting that everyone in Palestine is a terrorist?  Israel has been placing their civilians in land stolen from Palestiniens - not in 1948, but NOW.  That wall they're building is the latest escalation, entrapping 10s of thousands of Palestiniens and takes away their land.  Land grabbing's at the center of the entire conflict between Israel and Palestine.

I can understand, and even accept one being in support of Israel in the whole issue.  But statements like those are simply audacious and poorly thought out.
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« Reply #153 on: November 23, 2003, 10:49:37 AM »

AFAIK, Palestine and Israel have been fighting over land ownership for centuries, trying to control "the holy land". As I said earlier...religion is a major factor.
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« Reply #154 on: November 23, 2003, 11:45:12 AM »

What i find completely ironic is how the US rushes out to instill "democracy" in some foreign nation when the US itself is a republic. Go figure.  :roll:
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« Reply #155 on: November 23, 2003, 12:24:30 PM »

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You can't bomb a house without taking out the ones next to it. That's how bombs work.

Wrong.

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You kill a person in a house, you bomb his wife and children, and neighbors.


That person has already killed himself in a terrorist act. The wife and children aren't going to be in that house anymore, because they know it will be bombed. This "husband" knew what he was getting his family into. Instead of persuading him to stay not to leave his family homeless, he goes out, kills innocent people, and leaves his family homeless. If that family was stupid enough to stay in the house, then he leaves them dead.

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or are you suggesting that everyone in Palestin[ian territory] is a terrorist?

No. Are you suggesting I'm suggesting that everyone in Palestinian territory is a terrorist?

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Israel has been placing their civilians in land stolen from Palestiniens - not in 1948, but NOW. That wall they're building is the latest escalation, entrapping 10s of thousands of Palestiniens and takes away their land. Land grabbing's at the center of the entire conflict between Israel and Palestine.


That's right. Land. The land that the countries surrounding Israel wanted to take away from the Israelis who bought it, drive them to the sea, and kill them.

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I can understand, and even accept one being in support of Israel in the whole issue. But statements like those are simply audacious and poorly thought out.


Your statements are audacious and poorly thought out.

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AFAIK, Palestine and Israel have been fighting over land ownership for centuries, trying to control "the holy land". As I said earlier...religion is a major factor.


Read a history book. "centuries"? "Palestine"? PALESTINE *is* Israel, and as you should know, the Palestinian Intafada began 20 years ago, with the help of Arafat the Terrorist and his friends in the Arab world, like Saddam Hussein.

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What i find completely ironic is how the US rushes out to instill "democracy" in some foreign nation when the US itself is a republic.


The US is a representative democracy, like all democracies in the world, and it instills representative democracies.

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I'm not arguing with any of you anymore on this, or any, issue. You have thoroughly demonstrated your lack of historical knowledge and a complete lack of analytical skills.
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« Reply #156 on: November 23, 2003, 12:31:12 PM »

Agamemnus, I can't understand how an intelligent person like I know you are can say such kind of atrocities and nonsenses.
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« Reply #157 on: November 23, 2003, 12:38:12 PM »

You guys are right, I'm just going to drop it. I can't argue with a person who seems to want to make up his own definitions as he goes along, and argues against the dictionary.com definitions. I guess the post eariler by Nek really summed it up nicely.

Ag, the only thing I can ask you to do is look at The communist Manifesto by Karl Marx, and read up on the election which became the turning point for one of Europes most evil mens rise to fascist power, Adolph Hitler.
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« Reply #158 on: November 23, 2003, 12:45:21 PM »

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The US is a representative democracy, like all democracies in the world, and it instills representative democracies.

Each governing state is a representative democracy...the United States of America in and of itself is a Republic. Sorry to say but you've only got half the answer correct, dude.
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« Reply #159 on: November 23, 2003, 12:47:43 PM »

Well, Hitler based his ideology in Nietzche's "superman" concept, that doesn't mean that Netzche was a razist fascist.
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« Reply #160 on: November 23, 2003, 01:33:11 PM »

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Well, Hitler based his ideology in Nietzche's "superman" concept, that doesn't mean that Netzche was a razist fascist.


erm...wha--? The reason I mentioned hitler is because he was elected into power, meaning that the way that a dictator gets into power is irrelevant in terms of whether a government is fascist or not. In fact, Mussolini's Fascists(the original fascists, BTW) began as a party of a democratic state as well, though IIRC, he didn't win any elections until the King of Italy appointed him as the prime minister over the heads of the parliament, after which, the new election laws ensured a 2/3 majority in the parliament.  It all went downhill from there.

BTW, Nietzshe's superman transcended man by being better intellectually and through sheer will-power. It had nothing to do with genetics. Hitlers superman was a twisted and unholy result of eugenics. The two are incomperable.
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« Reply #161 on: November 23, 2003, 01:36:55 PM »

Hehehe SJ, he said based, not copied Cheesy plus there are quite a few common threads there too...although it's not correct to say that Hitler was mimicking Nietzche, there are some similarities no less...
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« Reply #162 on: November 23, 2003, 02:00:23 PM »

Yeah, but what does it have to do with my post, which as far as I can tell, is the only reference to hitler in the thread?
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« Reply #163 on: November 23, 2003, 02:08:59 PM »

I have no idea. :Huh:

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« Reply #164 on: November 23, 2003, 02:52:10 PM »

Just that everyone knows, I strongly back Israel. I myself have known and experienced 'terrorism'. These fundamentalists, rebel groups, terrorist groups are all the same to me. They dont *care* about anything. So anyone shouldnt form their opinions without any actual knowledge of what these people are doing.

Israeli and Indian military has been defamed for killing 'innocent civilians' in Palestine and Kashmir respectively. Many lies have been spread and many things have been hyped about them. This has always been the 'feature' of the media.

So lets all just drop the subject because I can see no one here has witnessed any actual incident or has any first hand info about these problems(except me).
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