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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2003, 10:57:55 PM »

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Aah, good to see me and Nek can agree on something... :lol:

Don't get used to it Wink

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2003, 11:31:33 PM »

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Woohaw...you wanna talk state-sponsored terrorism...wow, look at the US government and how they support Israel...known the world over for terroristic attacks. The US supports them despite GW Bush's claims to be "against terror". It's all a line of bullshyte intended to sway the American public. Fortunately, people outside of the US are usually too smart to fall for it.


OK. I have heard this kind of BS before. Bring it on. That, and the "proof" that OBL and Saddam Hussein have nothing to do with 9/11.

PS: You can just forget about the second part, as both praised 9/11, and therefore they do not have nothing to do with 9/11.

PPS: You don't have to prove the third point.  :rotfl:
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2003, 11:32:39 PM »

Oh, Nathan. You misunderstand. Cause, as in CAUSE AND EFFECT.
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2003, 12:18:37 AM »

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OK. I have heard this kind of BS before. Bring it on. That, and the "proof" that OBL and Saddam Hussein have nothing to do with 9/11.

I don't expect someone who's still buying up the propaganda to understand so I'm not even going to try explaining because no matter what I say to you, you won't believe it so I flat-out refuse to waste my bandwidth talking to a brick wall. However, when you open your mind to the possibility that just maybe you've been sold out and taken for a ride, we'll talk.

Lest you forget that not only am I American, native-born and raised, but am still living in America (Puerto Rico is an American territory). In addition, don't forget George Washington's own words...the day the people stop questioning the government is the day democracy has failed.
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2003, 12:31:13 AM »

I question the government. There is a lot of BS going on in Congress and the state government. But to question does not mean to question and not to rationalize an answer, which I believe you are doing.
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2003, 12:33:59 AM »

adosorken: Am I mistaken, or are you accusing Israel of terrorism?Excuse me, but name one thing that Israel did as an act of terror.
They attack Palestinian terrorists. Palestinian terrorists had a party (literally) on the day of the Sept. 11 attacks.
I can sense a lock of  this post imminent...I just want to get a word in.
Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with the attacks? Prove it.
Saddam had nothing to do with the attacks? OK, I can believe that. Uh, does that make him good? If Israel hadn't bombed his nuclear reactor, Iraq would've had nuclear weapons before the US invaded.

And you're accusory of Israel is anti-Semitism. Does that mean you support hate of Jews?
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2003, 12:43:32 AM »

*sigh*

Why not actually research things with an open mind, rather than a "I have my head stuck up GWB's butt"-influenced mind. AKA stop being a blind Patriot for a moment and look up some hard facts.

Osama bin Laden, on September 11th 2001, said, on international television, "We [the al Quaida] will gladly accept responsibility for one plane attack but not for two.". What this means is "sure, we'll take the credit for fscking with you guys, but the severity of the damage caused is beyond what we would even do".

Israel is one of the biggest terrorist nations on the face of the planet. And of course Palestinians celebrated...the USA has been backing Israel's tyrranny for decades. Wouldn't you cheer if Osama bin Laden was found dead? Of course you would. You gotta realize that the US is to them what Osama is to the US.

And everyone knows Saddam Hussein is a poor leader. He's no different than GW Bush...both are military tyrants, both have overwhelming destructive military power at their disposal, and both will do or say anything to save their own ass.

And crying anti-Semitism means nothing to me. You're drawing conclusions, as I would expect. I don't hate anybody. I have dislike for specific people based on their arrogance or intolerance (a couple of people on this forum for example who I will not mention), but hating an entire race or religion is called bias. And I am probably the single most unbiased person you'll ever run into.

I need not prove that point. It is a well-established fact.
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2003, 12:50:13 AM »

I won't express what I'm feeling right now, because it will result in me being banned.
You didn't answer my request...What terroristic act has Israel ever committed?
And if in your enemy country, 6000 people were killed, people that had nothing to do with the war, would you cheer? How many people in the twin towers contributed to any U.S. military acts? A few, perhaps...but the rest? *Innocent bloodshed*
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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2003, 12:52:00 AM »

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Osama bin Laden, on September 11th 2001, said, on international television, "We [the al Quaida] will gladly accept responsibility for one plane attack but not for two."


What happened to your TV after Sept. 11? 'Cuz Osama said afterwards that he was responsible for it.

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Israel is one of the biggest terrorist nations on the face of the planet.


Your proof is unrefutable. . . Name one terrorist act that Israel supported. You can't, can you? Oh, wait, Israeli soldiers killed and keep killing Palestinians... oh no, Ariel Sharon butchered civilians 20 years back.. Hmmm.... Well, maybe you're just going to repeat this, hmmm, without citing an authoritative source on such matter? What's an authoritative source, you ask?

Government records.
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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2003, 12:57:53 AM »

Aga: I agree totally with you. I can't believe I met an American citizen that isn't a member of some terrorist group claim that Israel is terroristic...
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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2003, 12:59:39 AM »

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Aga: I agree totally with you. I can't believe I met an American citizen that isn't a member of some terrorist group claim that Israel is terroristic...


In fact, a large number of people here believe this. They are in the minority, however.
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2003, 01:00:19 AM »

There have always been terrorists.  In the Roman Empires, bands would attack caravans and kill the passengers.  Different overtaken groups, including Jews, would commonly rise against the ruling class.  And vagabonds would commonly attack the Empire.  Hell, there's some figure that only 3 of the last 26 emporers died natural deaths.  Rome was a very, very violent society.

As for Israel and Palestine, that issue's been beat to death.  There is a lot of unnecessary violence on both sides, for different reasons, and a lot of innocent people on both sides die.  That's what happens when fighting takes to the streets.  You can takes your sides, but the world isnt black and white.  There are no megavillains, and neither side is completely just in its action, but both have their reasons for what they do (inexusable as they may be).  that's what happens in violent situations, there's no clear side to blame.  The most professional negotiators have tried, and until now have failed.  You wont solve it, either.

On the subject of Saddam Hussein's involvement with Osama, that's like saying JFK was killed by the CIA.  You can theorize all you want, but the fact is Saddam ran a secular dictatorship that oppressed Shiites, and Osama is every bit as interested in taking him down as we were (for different reasons, of course).  They were both horrible people, but there's no need to group them as a bunch of conspiring evildoers from the superfriends.

If you look at the beginning of this thread, it's to mourn all the people killed in Istanbul.  It's very sad, as are all terrorist bombings, and I think everyone can agree that these people are doing terrible, inexcusable things that should never happen.  I really hope peace comes, and soon.
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2003, 01:01:05 AM »

I'm afraid I support neither palistine (sp?) nor Israel - they both kill each other, and there's nothing about that in the koran/bible/whatever...
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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2003, 01:01:43 AM »

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What's an authoritative source, you ask?

Government records.

 :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:

If not for Rhiannon sleeping five feet away from me, I would have burst out laughing.

Besides...I already have the proof. That's why I said for YOU to go do the research yourself. It means nothing for me to sit here and give you the proof, you will do nothing except say "oh bullshyte" or "you made that up" or "that's just propaganda". Like I said before...I don't waste my time on brick walls.

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I won't express what I'm feeling right now, because it will result in me being banned.

Must be proof that no one can legitimately debate with me without getting pissy. Tongue

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And if in your enemy country, 6000 people were killed, people that had nothing to do with the war, would you cheer? How many people in the twin towers contributed to any U.S. military acts? A few, perhaps...but the rest? *Innocent bloodshed*

Innocent bloodshed is a part of life. Don't forget that my life was ripped apart by 9/11.

And to answer your request...you need to answer it. You are the one who needs the proof, so you are the one who should go find it.

That goes for both of you.

And knock off the anti-American hater thing. It's really insulting, irritating, and inaccurate.
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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2003, 01:01:45 AM »

*nods to oracle*  There's a lot more going on there than what you will see on CNN or Fox News.
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