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Jocke The Beast
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« on: November 20, 2003, 04:12:07 PM »

As you all might have seen on tv there has been another terror-attack in Turkey, Istanbul. Right now the reports on tv says that there are 27 dead and over 400 injured people.
They all have my condolences...

I live Sweden, which also is located in Europe, and I've been on holiday once to Turkey. It feels very scary and sad now, probaly more now since this act of terror has taken place
"so close" to Sweden or at least closer then ever before...
And the "timing" is quite scary too: G.Bush are visiting England right now, Turkey are about to "get into" EU (Europe Union) and Turkey has "assisted" the US/UK in the war in Iraq. Personally I wasn't expecting the terrorists to "know what the heck they're doing" and that they had the knowledge/manpower/equipment
to succeed in their plans...but now I (more then before) realizes that they're a menace to all of us...

Very sad day  :cry:
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2003, 04:39:28 PM »

Sad what the human race do to it self. Completely unnatural, I mean, to state a point that way? Either they are very sick, or very desperate.

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Personally I wasn't expecting the terrorists to "know what the heck they're doing" and that they had the knowledge/manpower/equipment
to succeed in their plans


Remember 11th September? Four, I think, planes captured and crashed almost at the same time. It's sick.

I find it very scary that they will kill themselves just like that, they must be really manipulated.

Let's have a month without flamewars to honour the people who died today. Seriously.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2003, 04:49:33 PM »

Well, people support terrorists. That happens in my country. Nobody knows how, but ETA has always plenty of money to build bombs or to buy guns. That sucks. It's hard to live in a country which has such kind of menace.

The sad thing is that before Sept 11th terrorist groups such as ETA weren't taken seriously worlwide. It's a shame that films like "The Jackal", a complete apology of terrorism (IMHO) as it featured a former member of ETA as the main female character, are made. The film presented her as a person who did what she did 'cause he had a cause, some ideals. That's a nonsense. Terrorists are killers. Just killers. People symphathised with that character even when she was a killer, a criminal. Big, great shame.

Thankfully, now the world has realised that all the terrorists are the same kind of shi t.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2003, 04:52:47 PM »

Agrees with Nathan, though I think you meen 11th September, right?
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2003, 04:55:19 PM »

Sure. Typo. Corrected Wink
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2003, 04:56:30 PM »

Knows them, you should read my essays. Just figured things should be clear in this post.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2003, 07:35:04 PM »

it sounds like what is happening at this forum... everyone is attacking eachother for stupid things....
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2003, 08:07:10 PM »

Quote from: "speedlemon"
it sounds like what is happening at this forum... everyone is attacking eachother for stupid things....

What is stupid to you is not stupid to another. Don't judge people like that, it only makes you appear ignorant.

Anyways, terrorists have always existed. They have always caused trouble. It's only now that GW Bush-whacker has decided to take on the world that they're getting serious press. Just more proof that the US media is just full of shit.

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I find it very scary that they will kill themselves just like that, they must be really manipulated.

It's called loyalty to the cause, and a need for martyrdom. Don't believe the crap you see on television. That little scurry in Iraq, for example, was a great showing of just how bought off all of us were. By making Iraq out to be some kind of monster, GW Bush and the media sold war to the American people. It's pathetic that our own president would sell us out like that, but then again, governments are all the same and are all corrupt and will do whatever it takes to sway their people in their favor and against external "forces".

Government sucks. But anarchy sucks more. And if there's one thing I really can't stand, it's an anarchist. Although government sucks, when someone does a misdoing against an anarchist, where's the first place the anarchist turns for help? The government. A little bit of hypocrisy there. Hello? This is pot! Hey kettle, you're black!

Anyways...it totally sucks about what happened in Turkey but this was predicted a long time ago, so no one should really be shocked either...
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2003, 08:30:01 PM »

You're quite right. And the worst thing is that my f ucking government helped the Americans to take over Iraq, although almost 90% of Spanish people hated such an idea.

Last week some people related to Al Qaeda were arrested with important documentation about a terror attack in my country. We are also in the list, people...

And the saddest thing is that the most injuried collective is the muslim minority in Spain. Fascist scum can make their lives a hell, thanks god that most people here are tolerant.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2003, 08:34:24 PM »

I'm not going to get involved in another "was it right to attack Iraq or not"-issue but you know where I stand Nathan...and I also respect your opinion. Enough said (by me at least)  Cool
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2003, 09:31:18 PM »

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Anyways, terrorists have always existed.


That's the same thing as saying that Muslims have, since thousands of years ago, always hated Jews. Which is wrong firstly because Mohammed started Islam only in 400AD or 600AD, or something like that.

I am going on a tangent here. My main objection to this statement is that terrorists have NOT always existed. Remember the Roman Empire? There were no terrorists back then.

And what about the recent synagogue bombings? Turkey is recently always a terrorist attack... it's not really a surprise that they were hit again.

And what about state-sponsored terrorism? I'm not talking specifically about Iraq here, though. Let's talk about 1800-1900. The Ottoman Empire sponsored terrorism for a bit. So did Russia vs. Ottoman Empire. So did the new Balkan states. So when these countries stopped funding terrorists, what happened? They didn't disappear but had to be slowly killed off.

Terrorism doesn't just "crop up". There are forces at work that create terrorism. Osama Bin Laden? He is a byproduct of previous terrorism and/or Bad Things: Iranian/Saudi Arabian intolerance vs. Israelis/Democracy, American indoctrination of Afghanistani Mujahadeen... etc.

So, even if you didn't read any of that:

ALL TERRORISM HAS A CAUSE. (as in cause and effect...)
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2003, 10:30:20 PM »

A cause?

Do you call a cause to kill innocents? To tear families? To fear people? Is that a cause?

It's clear that you've never felt the fear of being menaced by a bomb attack in your city. It's clear that you haven't felt the rage of seeing mutilated innocent people lying on the ground where you have been. It could have been you. It could have been your mother, your father, your brother, your friend or whoever.

That's a nonsense, a butchery, not a cause.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2003, 10:34:36 PM »

Quote from: "Agamemnus"
My main objection to this statement is that terrorists have NOT always existed. Remember the Roman Empire? There were no terrorists back then.

The Roman Empire WAS the terrorist. Smiley Let's not forget what a terrorist is...one who brings terror. Holy shyte did they bring terror to many people in the world. The Christian Crusades were another terrorist act (again, you can thank Rome for this one).

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And what about state-sponsored terrorism?

Woohaw...you wanna talk state-sponsored terrorism...wow, look at the US government and how they support Israel...known the world over for terroristic attacks. The US supports them despite GW Bush's claims to be "against terror". It's all a line of bullshyte intended to sway the American public. Fortunately, people outside of the US are usually too smart to fall for it.

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Terrorism doesn't just "crop up". There are forces at work that create terrorism. Osama Bin Laden? He is a byproduct of previous terrorism and/or Bad Things: Iranian/Saudi Arabian intolerance vs. Israelis/Democracy, American indoctrination of Afghanistani Mujahadeen... etc.

1. Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11.
2. Saddam Hussein also had nothing to do with 9/11.
3. Both have been labelled as evil by the US war machine.
4. Yes, I have proof of all three above points.

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ALL TERRORISM HAS A CAUSE.

Of course it does...virtually everything in this world has a cause. And an effect. Tis just the way it is. Cheesy

9/11 screwed me over in more ways than I care to admit. I almost lost my business that I had spent years building up, and when you've spent many years of your life building something so nice only to have it ripped from you in the course of a few hours, it tends to leave a damper on you. I bought up the bin Laden story for awhile because it made me feel good that *someone* was going to be punished for taking MY life away. However, as time progressed, pieces of the puzzle weren't fitting together and I decided to do a bit of research. What I found shocked me, angered me, and made me totally distrust the US government. With a little time spent researching the facts, most anyone can discover the truth about 9/11 and virtually all the acts of terror that have taken place over the past 15 years.

The real terrorist right now is the USA.

And these are the words of a natural born American.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2003, 10:52:37 PM »

Aah, good to see me and Nek can agree on something... :lol:

It's all about perspective anyway. The terrorists think that they are right, and the rest of the world think that it is them who are right. You can't win...
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2003, 10:57:02 PM »

Ah, more unamericans! Neat. Count me in.
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