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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2003, 02:24:14 AM »

HATERS!!!
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2003, 08:57:22 AM »

disney uses 15 frames per second on the draft animations, but it is really choppy.  if you look by-frame at a movie, the image changes every frame is a lot of scenes.

in just about ever movie since 'oliver and company' they've also drawn characters each frame over cg animations.

megaman, there are no "haters", come now.  there's some prozac in the the left shelf of your medicine cabinet.  gooood.

use flash.  it's your best option.  also, try and keep the actual animation minimal.  they did a really good job of doing this in old lucasarts scumm games.  i still think comics are an easier/better way to test out your art skills because there you can spend time on each drawing and include things like cg and the like.  but hey, we're helping you here.

also: do you have any of those hand-drawn animated gifs we could look at?
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2003, 10:18:02 AM »

Haters? Well, Megaman, at least that you are really rich, I don't think you can afford the equipment you need. First of all, you have to buy the photographer machine, the backlit set, loads of film, acetate paper, the paintings, the special pens ... ... ... can you buy them?

If you don't (most likely) how are you supposed to make an anime? could you explain?
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2003, 12:46:06 PM »

Yeah, I guess I'll look into the idea of flash. And I can't find any of those animated gifs I made. As I said, they weren't that good anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2003, 07:43:58 PM »

well, nate, nobody but don bluth has the spare time and money to buy an animation studio and make movies himself.  i think pj here's best shot is to scan some hi-contrast ink drawings.  a simple backlight costs about 25 bucks (i invested in one awhile ago for some of my art), but you can improvise with a translucent cutting board propped over a flash light.  the general idea is just to get a light shining through the back of the paper so you trace for animations.  anyhow, scan them black and white at a high res, color and scale them down for anti-aliasing.  that way you dont have to deal with little tiny light-colored dusts and scratches and the like.  you're going to need a routine anyhow to push out animations.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2003, 10:29:05 PM »

Is somebody going around messing with posts? The no selection on my post just went away. And I had to edit it back.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2003, 06:52:25 AM »

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Is somebody going around messing with posts? The no selection on my post just went away. And I had to edit it back.


I've had the same problem, its some obscure bug in phpBB2
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2003, 10:26:32 AM »

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well, nate, nobody but don bluth has the spare time and money to buy an animation studio and make movies himself.  i think pj here's best shot is to scan some hi-contrast ink drawings.  a simple backlight costs about 25 bucks (i invested in one awhile ago for some of my art), but you can improvise with a translucent cutting board propped over a flash light.  the general idea is just to get a light shining through the back of the paper so you trace for animations.  anyhow, scan them black and white at a high res, color and scale them down for anti-aliasing.  that way you dont have to deal with little tiny light-colored dusts and scratches and the like.  you're going to need a routine anyhow to push out animations.


That was my point, more or less. I suggested him to use his compute and throw away that idea of making real animes.

I used once translucent paper (vegetal paper is called in spanish), which is a good deal. I just drawed every frame and scanned them, and made the animations using a DOS program. They looked fine. Anyhow, having flash I won't consider another option. Flash rocks if you know what you are doing. You can do normal animation using flash: just set the rate to 15 fps and draw each frame. Flash even has that trasnlucent paper feature where you see the previous frames while you are drawing the current, so it rocks.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2003, 05:05:19 AM »

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Quote from: "Megaman"
I can draw pretty good in my opinion.


Self-confidence, eh? Where we can see your artwork?

Nathan and Toonski are right, but some appreciations about their comments:

- For standard animation (not movies) the frame rate is around 12 or 14 FPS. Yeah, I know that NTSC video system is 29,97 FPS and PAL is about 25 FPS, but note that the real animation -not the parallax effects nor screen pannings- is a lot slower than that. Watch with attention.

- The suggestion Nathan gave you is excellent for non professionals. The computer will help you greatly on making animation. Use and abuse scrollings, zooms and motion tweenings, and you'll end with something similar to these older Captain America cartoons (honestly: awesome). Consider also the Flash format to make animations. And don't forget that when you're using a GIF animator, that's animation too.

- About the real equipment, well, Nathan is right again. A cheaper way it's to make the animation in the computer, and then "export" it to a VCR or other type of recordable media using a Video editor/TV capturer or the TV-out of your graphics card. I've done it with Flash-based animation to a VHS tape, and I can recommend this method as it yields very good results. (for not being a professional animation studio, that's it )



Aha!!!! Now I know how you did those kewl sketches!!!!!
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2003, 11:00:47 PM »

Cool sketches? WTF are you talking about?  Shocked
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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2003, 03:05:53 AM »

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Cool sketches? WTF are you talking about?  Shocked


WTF are you trying to hide?

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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2003, 03:09:37 AM »

First: I don't know why the hell you aren't at Leah today.

Second: Hiding what? We're talking about Flash and animations, and you jumped with "sketches". That's why I asked. And I'm still questioning myself about what sketches are you talking about. Seriously.  :-?
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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2003, 03:22:28 AM »

1. The darn Page wont load(Leah)

2. Like that GS sketch??? Or it was a Flash movie that this darn computer wont display?

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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2003, 03:29:35 AM »

GS? Aahh! Nooo, that thing never had any relation with Flash movies.

About the IRC, well I haven't installed mIRC or anything similar and I'm not planning to do it anyways so... well, until another day. BTW, did you tried the main page of Leah? (that's it http://chatzone.leahcim.com/)
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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2003, 03:49:49 AM »

Naah, forget the previous post. That silly Trillian has support for IRC, I forgot that little point.

BTW, where's the EDIT button? That's why I had to doublepost... (blaaagh! )
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