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Question: To merge or not to merge Newbie Help with Programming Help  (Voting closed: August 31, 2002, 12:07:16 PM)
Yes - 6 (46.2%)
I don't mind/care - 7 (53.8%)
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« on: August 31, 2002, 12:07:16 PM »

I'm thinking of merging this forum with programming help again. As I think it probably creates more confusion than anything else. But I'll leave it up to a poll.
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2002, 02:17:15 PM »

I prefer to have them separately. That way, a newbie posts in the newbies section and gets an answer more suited for newbies. If I reply a post in the programming help section, I use more technic explanations and go deeper. In newbies section I usually skip the hard part. That's why I like it how it is, that way I know it the person who asks is a newbie or not.
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2002, 06:00:36 PM »

I agree with na_th_an , its much better seperate.
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2002, 06:48:46 PM »

Ok, as it stands both forums will remain seperate. I agree with what you say, for the different forums you can use different levels of replies.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2002, 07:43:23 AM »

Go Na Than!

BTW, I like your MiniGame. Too bad there are only 2 levels Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2002, 01:57:07 PM »

... and 2,000 bugs !! Wink

Don't worry, I am planning to continue developing Lala when I finish my exams. It has only 2 levels 'cause I didn't have the time to complete any more levels before the compo time (only 1 week!) expired.
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2002, 01:59:09 PM »

I was thinking also that it's not that great having them apart. The main reason you split up a forum is because there's too much traffic there. But that's certainly not the case with either programming help or newbie help. I would rather see them merged.

After all, if some n00b doesn't understand your answer, they can always say so.  I usually give a practical answer first, and then a technical answer as an optional postlude.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2003, 05:28:11 PM »

I've got to go with Wizardlife on this one.  For one thing, how do you know which catagory your post belongs in?  I thought I knew a thing or two about 'basic til I started hanging out here.   :lol:

I don't know what I don't know, if you know what I mean.  

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2003, 10:20:07 PM »

Well, it's good to having them separated, the problem comes when the user post things on the wrong forum...  :roll:
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2003, 11:00:33 PM »

Hi Hex; the problem is: how do you define what is a "wrong" forum?

I know what you mean, but its not that simple.

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2003, 11:19:08 PM »

such as posting why your neighbor has monkeys chained up in his backyard in the QB in General forum....
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2003, 11:20:40 PM »

Oh? Nooo, it's easy to know. Lemme explain:

This works 92% of the time: if you can answer your question with only a RTFM, then the question belongs to the newbie forum. Oh! I can hear you scream: "And how the heck I'd know if the question can be answered with that?!?!" Simple. CTFM. (That's it, CHECK the...)

Seriously speaking now...

"I want help on how to use GET and PUT" - newbie question (why? too generic... and sadly, the possible answer can be RTFM!)
"I want help on how to use GET and PUT in the most efficient way possible" - newbie or programming, far more specific than the previous one.
"Could someone recommend me a midi playing library/routine?" - programming, obviously.
"Problems while reading the port &H201" - advanced. Wait, that forum no longer exists!

Just my point of view.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2003, 12:23:34 AM »

I've had an idea.

Most of times, newbies' questions have been replied a ton of times. Wouldn't be a good idea to build a big, extensive and tutorialish FAQ gathering most common questions in Newbie help, and refering to it when someone asks?

I think it would be a good idea. I know that there are plenty of tutorials and documentation already written, but this would be kind of the definitive one. What I am suggesting is to open a thread where people suggest topics for the FAQ (for example, using the TIMER, to take a recent example), and then we organize ourselves to write the tutorials (mostly COPYing/PASTEing from this forum). When a topic is finished, it could be posted somewhere for people to correct/complain/add things about it. Once it is validated, it could be put on this site.

Tell me if you think it is a good idea.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2003, 12:30:48 AM »

Sure it's a good idea, but it's somewhat "difficult" to do. Remember that the FAQ oftenly needs to be updated and mantained; in fact, this isn't the first time I've heard a proposal like yours, but in the end I've seen few working, and fewer being really good.

BTW, check this:

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/171757

Somewhat like that?
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2003, 12:34:30 AM »

Something better. I mean, like QB help but with concrete issues. I know it is a difficult task, I gave up trusting in people a lot of time ago :lol:... What I am saying is that I would write some tutorials when I find the time, but I need your help to be sure that they are all correct. It was also some kind of invitation to another gurus of this site to give a hand.

And, last but not least, it was some kind of euphemism just to say that I am quite bored to reply the same things once and again :lol: but don't worry, I'll keep on replying Smiley (no offense, please Smiley )
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