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Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Kylemc on May 25, 2005, 03:03:36 PM
:o I think I know where this came from..


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Jofers on May 25, 2005, 05:05:23 PM
Well put.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Z!re on May 25, 2005, 05:40:58 PM
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The moderators/admins

Correction: Moderator and rarely-here-admin


Ya...


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Fling-master on May 25, 2005, 06:00:59 PM
Quote from: "Z!re"
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The moderators/admins

Correction: Moderator and rarely-here-admin


Ya...


We're here more often then you know obviously.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Jocke The Beast on May 25, 2005, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: "Jofers"
Well put.

Agreed.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: wildcard on May 25, 2005, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: "Z!re"
Quote
The moderators/admins

Correction: Moderator and rarely-here-admin


Ya...


I'm here a lot more than it may seem, its just difficult to moderate in a way thats viewed fairly by all. I've received complaints from several members who have been subject to unprovked personal attacks and feel that the above just need to be restated. The forum has always been been at its best when everyone posts respectfully, sadly not all members are. I don't want to have to focus too much on negative stuff so am just asking people to be a little more thoughtful.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Z!re on May 25, 2005, 08:36:49 PM
Ok, I'll take that back and change it to:
Seldom acting moderators, and rarely acting admin.


Really, it's your fault the forum has become what it is. You cant just blame the users.

If we notice we get away with doing stuff, we will keep doing it.

It's just as easy..


And then when you come in, after half a year, and say: Hey, you cant do that!

People get annoyed, it's kind of obvious..

Ever wondered why so many people bitch and whine? Now you know.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: neuro on May 25, 2005, 08:56:17 PM
Yeah, let's all start personally attacking the admins just for good measure to pin it on them.

you hippy admins


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Z!re on May 25, 2005, 09:16:33 PM
1) Noone is happy with the current situation

2) Admins do nothing about it

3) Moderators do nothing about it

4) Suddenly they whine about it..

5) Well, do something about it then..



This whole situation, with flames etc, people leaving, and a generally bad mood/atmosphere around here is all because the amdins and mods decided to dont give a rats ass anymore.. and left it at that for a period of time.

Now suddenly, they come back, and blame it all on the users.


And dont give the the bullcrap about you expecting more from us, if you did then you wouldnt have any rules to begin with, nor any mods, one admin would be enough.

You expect us to NOT behave.


And you should.


So, stop whining and thinking it will fix itself, and do something about it.

Assign more admins already. Get rid of the ones who dont come around anymore. Get rid of the ones who do nothing.


And I dont know how many times I said this in PMs to you wildcard, PM's you didnt respond to btw:
Assign people who actually come here.

I have no doubt VonGodric is a good admin, but he doesent really come around much now does he, he even admits it himself. And dont read this as an attack on either one of you, it isnt.



Now, if we start breaking down to the regulars so we have something to pick from, something me and VonGodric did over MSN when we talked about it, we get:

Sterling - Comes around every now and then

v3cz0r - He rarely visit anymore, and I doubt he bothers to read any forums beside the FB ones

lillo - He visits.. the FB section

Whitetiger0990 - Who is gonna be the first one to say: He's just 14?

Neo - Comes around, but would probably be too nice for the admin/mod position, and wouldnt do anything

VonGodric (Yes, I know!) - Same as Neo, though VG didnt come around much before. And when he did it was mostly for FBIDE

Oracle - Where is he anyways?

Fling-master - So what have you done the past 6 months while QBN has been sinking?

Dav - rarely here

Wildcard - Sure, you're here.. so? You dont do anything.. Going down with the ship?

Jocke The Beast - Visits every now and then

Antoni Gual - Same

And now for the more interessting candidates:
Me - I know I come around, and I know I'm a good admin, others know this too, if you (wildcard) would bother asking

Adosorken - Oh, ya, he left cause this place sucks.

Na_th_an - Oops, he left too..

Plasma - Damn...

Jofers - Still active in the FB documentation section



And dont give me the: So I guess we just let everyone do whatever they want then!
It's just stupid.

I know it's hard, being an admin sucks, you get all the bashing, everyone complains and never any reward.

All I have to say is: Dont like it, quit.

If you do not quit however, make sure you do something about this!
It should have been taken care of 4-6 months ago.

You're late!



And I'm not saying this to be mean, or to pick on anyone, or to start a flamewar..

I'm just stating the situation.. and it sucks.


Do something about it, make QBN be the place it used to be.




EDIT: If you want me to, I can gather (anonymous) quotes from various QBN regulars, speaking their mind. Somethiing they dont want to do on the board.

You would be surprised.


EDIT 2: The names here are from memory, I just remembered a few more that could suit as admins, I wont add them though, it doesent matter.. I think I've made my point. If I havent:
wildcard, set aside personal disslike, do you want to save QBN or not?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Moneo on May 25, 2005, 09:53:25 PM
Wildcard,

The "Board-wide Policies" are quite explicit and up to date. You and the moderators having been doing a very good job, which is not easy. You have to walk a fine line between being too strict and too lenient.
*****


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: MystikShadows on May 25, 2005, 10:24:41 PM
I have to agree with Z!re here.  Alot of the names mentionned I didn't even know existed...but I know that if one person can dare to say this about the whole list of people that was mentionned, Z!re can. There's 1600 and some members.  Without organization, chaos (no offence chaos lol) is just around the corner.  The more members join, the more often these situation occur.  There will always be people to test the solidity of the community so to speak.  I think, from what I'm reading that maybe the role of the moderators and admins should be clearly defined here.  

MODERATORS:
Very briefly, moderators should have more than one role.in their job description.

1. They should be present, if anyone has a complaint they PM the moderator of the board where the event occured, if they have to wait a week before they get a reply, how do you think it makes the user feel?  especially the new comoers.

2. They should maintain their boards often.  A moderator should be given a board to manage/moderate.  When users go to a specific forum, it should state that this board is moderated by VonGodric, not by "Moderators" it's always good to associate a name or nickname of a living being rather than a pile of moderators, users won't even know who they can expect a reply from, hence a very insecure environment to be in especially if there is a conflict.

3. Moderators should entertain their board (atleast those boards where the users have the right to visit).  Why?  because a boring board is not visited.  A board moderator should be as entertaining as he/she is  in control of the situations that can happen.  if the users know that the situation will be fixed, then they'll be motivated to form a complaint in the first place instead of becoming a dead member because nothing's being done about the situations that occur.

4. A Moderator has the authority to delete posts that he she deems offensive as per the guidelines of the forum.  A moderator should be given the right to do just that and not have to rely on an admin to clean up the board or approve his decision to delete a post.  Moderators should be clearly informed of what forms an offensive post and have the authority to act upon it.  Should a user not understand why a moderator delete his/her post, then the can send an "official complaint" to the admins.

In short (yes that was short) that should be what defines a moderator).  Of course, like Z!re said, this means that a moderator should be present (maybe not 24/7) but at least a couple times a day, every day unless they leave for a vacation or something.  Like the old saying goes, when the cat isn't there the mices party.  Even if they know there is a cat that lives in the house, if they know the cat is never there, they'll feel free to do what the want.

An admin is everything a moderator is....plus the powers that seperate the admins from the moderators (which also mean they should be there, there's many admins, sure you can split the weeks among yourselves evenly to make sure that there's atleast one present at all time to answers the calls of the users/moderators when the admins are needed.  

Admins are there to make the board pleasing as well.  When an idea to add a categorie or a thread to the board is presented, it sholdn't be put in file 13 and forgotten forever.  It should be studied and evaluated (hence admins actually should perform some work once in a while) to make sure if it can be a good idea or not. regardless of who suggested it, and whatever grudge oen fo the admins or mods hold against the one that suggested it or makes a complaint.

This should be my last post for the next 9 to 10 days. as I am going offline...but I really thing Z!re has a point here, and I had to add this post to it.  This is how you can claim to have a successfull board, and also how you can help reduce the gap between people that join and people that actually post.  Hope this makes atleast one of you reflect for a while.  I think there's alot of useful information in my post. :-).

I'll see you all when I get back.  and I can't wait to see the feed back I'm gonna get :-)  good or bad.  I think what I said makes alot of sense, alot of common sense at that :-).  Hey I'd love to help out when I get back too.  If there's a position and you guys want to, let me know :-).

Take care everyone,

See you in 9 to 10 days :-).


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: SJ Zero on May 26, 2005, 12:19:31 AM
I understand how ridiculously difficult this job must be for admins/mods. We're a picky bunch, enjoying freedoms while at the same time enjoying peace. Frankly, it would be too easy to kick ass anytime things got heated, and I really appreciate that you don't (anymore). ;)

That said, perhaps you could clamp down a bit in the main forums, while leaving the debate&discussion forum as it is? Frankly, as long as there's a place here I can speak my mind without fear of locked threads, I'm happy. It's generally unspoken that you should try to be civil wherever possible, but in a forum such as this, some poeple are doomed to be attacked for their beliefs on either side, which isn't GOOD, but as they say, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the fire. :)

I've always felt that useless flame wars were a sign of a healthy community, but that doesn't mean we should have bedlam and anarchy wherever we roam. :)


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: aetherfox on May 26, 2005, 03:08:26 AM
Uh oh.  I hope this isn't going to the road that we went down last time...

Look, I know how difficult it is do administrate a forum of this size, and while Zire hasn't put it well at all, I agree with some of the things she said.  Like SJ said, you could go ahead and kick ass at everything that might be a personal attack, but you don't, and that's good.

Might I ask which threads in particular provoked this?  Or who this is actually aimed at?  I don't like these subtle gestures implications that you've used here.

I said this last time, and I'll say it again - a Toasty forum. That's all the moderation you'll ever have to do.

I don't think appointed more moderators or administrators is the key - frankly I think you have too many as it is.  5 people could easily handle the entire forum.  Even on busy days, I alone am able to view almost every single thread with new posts in it.

And Zire - I know they aren't your owners/gods/masters or anything, but show a little decency.  I know the moment someone bitches at you you'll start flaming away.

Personally though, like I said, I feel toasty moderation is all that is needed in any forum.  And if you're too weak to take criticism, then tough.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on May 26, 2005, 03:43:30 AM
Quote from: "Z!re"
1) Noone is happy with the current situation

2) Admins do nothing about it

3) Moderators do nothing about it

4) Suddenly they whine about it..

5) Well, do something about it then..

Hehe, this out of rage.

Quote from: "Z!re"
This whole situation, with flames etc, people leaving, and a generally bad mood/atmosphere around here is all because the amdins and mods decided to dont give a rats ass anymore..

They give "rats ass" thats why they have the rules up here.

Quote from: "Z!re"
Now, if we start breaking down to the regulars so we have something to pick from, something me and VonGodric did over MSN when we talked about it, we get:

Sterling - Comes around every now and then

v3cz0r - He rarely visit anymore, and I doubt he bothers to read any forums beside the FB ones

lillo - He visits.. the FB section

Whitetiger0990 - Who is gonna be the first one to say: He's just 14?

Neo - Comes around, but would probably be too nice for the admin/mod position, and wouldnt do anything

VonGodric (Yes, I know!) - Same as Neo, though VG didnt come around much before. And when he did it was mostly for FBIDE

Oracle - Where is he anyways?

Fling-master - So what have you done the past 6 months while QBN has been sinking?

Dav - rarely here

Jocke The Beast - Visits every now and then

Antoni Gual - Same

Adosorken - Oh, ya, he left cause this place sucks.

Na_th_an - Oops, he left too..

Plasma - Damn...

Jofers - Still active in the FB documentation section

You know why? Because some of us here have a real life unlike some people who are online 24x7 at QBN .... *spamming*

Quote from: "Z!re"
Wildcard - Sure, you're here.. so? You dont do anything.. Going down with the ship?

Thats funny, he has always responded quickly when I PMed him. He is always around and quick to fix problems.

Quote from: "Z!re"
Me - I know I come around, and I know I'm a good admin, others know this too, if you (wildcard) would bother asking

ROTFLMAO dont flatter yourself. After those attention whore stunts you pulled off if I were WC, I would've banned you.

Wow, someone who makes posts like these is *really* worthy of being an admin.

http://forum.qbasicnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=109928&highlight=#109928

Quote from: "Z!re"
And I'm not saying this to be mean, or to pick on anyone, or to start a flamewar..

:roll:

Quote from: "Z!re"
wildcard, set aside personal disslike, do you want to save QBN or not?

So, you're saying that you're the only one here who can "save" QBN... :rotfl:


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Spotted Cheetah on May 26, 2005, 04:05:05 AM
I was a bit surprised seeing this topic. Well, it might be true that i gone a little far with some of my topics (Like the 9th May 1945: Victory or Defeat), but i was not offended since i am here since three years (Because of certain things i had to change my name, but that had nothing to do with QBN or anyone on here). Although i not really programmed Basic since long so i did not really visited QB/FB forums too frequently, but i do not really feel that something went terribly wrong.

Possibly only with QB. It was simply abandonned because of FreeBasic, and become just a mess of mostly begging for school homeworks, or projects changed to FB. If the moderators would put that last in FB, and close the first, i think there would be approx. one post per week there. Neglected stuff. Nobody seems to be interested in DOS anymore - or possibly in QB's slowness.

I think what would give a lift here is to focus on FreeBasic (Although i not really like it: for me Basic and DOS 16 bit are something inseparable), and the same time triing to keep up QB things by changing the subject to Retro Basic programming - with any 16 bit Basic compiler (There are advantages of it too. The system there will not change anymore: grab DOSBox, and be happy :) ). A better compiler for it would not hurt either, without that it will possibly die no matter how much effort was spent on it to keep alive, but this is a bit off from here (I tried to talk about it at FB, but it sunk).

In overall i do not really think that these are going on because of the moderators. I am recently driving myself mad with triing to code in C++: as the technology developed, simply programming "gone mad", and more and more people started to fear of it - some feeling that there is no way to catch on with it. A strong, active retro side would be good to make these fears passing since those 16 color games in 320*200 are not so "frightening", and anyone can believe who is interested in it that once (s)he can write such. Then if (s)he did, then it will be not hard to believe that more can be done, then more, and more, and then "Need for Speed Underground"! :D

I just talked about it since i think mostly with FreeBasic a huge seperation came, and beginners now afraid of joining here / ones already here afraid of writing in prof. topics, and the like. So some hierarchy rose here as here are programmers from absolute beginners to experts who write FreeBasic, and that makes the fears and the such what makes QBN sinking. While only QB existed it was not so visible, but now with FB it blasted off. So somehow these fears and such should be made passed to keep this place alive.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Rokkuman on May 26, 2005, 04:09:32 AM
TBBQ: No. Z!re's not saying he's the only one who can save the forum. He didn't type that, imply it, nor post an image with that corresponding text, so where you're getting that from remains a mystery. Learn English.

Anywho, while the moderation definitely could use some improvements, I don't see why saying something about it needs such hostility, Z!re. Wildcard didn't really blame anyone in particular, yet you act as if he picked you out by the arm and told you to stop. Wildcard saw a lot of flaming (even though I'm not sure where that flaming is...), so he made a topic asking for it to stop. You didn't make a topic complaining about it in the first place, so now you're going to start when he actually makes a step in the right direction?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Jofers on May 26, 2005, 04:18:48 AM
OK.  Yes.  See, this is what this thread is try to deal with.  Zire, you just provoked flaming from tbbq, and tbbq, you just flamed Zire.  In a thread about stopping people from flaming each other on the forum.

Next time you post, think about what you're saying and remember that insulting someone's intelligence, integrity, or status in life will ONLY result in them making some equally appalling insult to you.  That's why eye-for-eye laws suck, it transfers to conversation.

Also, digging for old quotes to judge someone with really does make things worse.  I've said dumb things that are on the internet, everyone has.  It's not worth dragging to the forefront unless it's very relevant to the conversation at hand.

Really, insulting people on a forum in general is something to avoid.  Think about it:  you likely have not, and never will, meet this people in real life.  What do you have to gain by it?  You, or them, don't even have to talk or listen to each other, unless you go the forum and click on a thread and post.  You don't have to listen to people you don't like.  That's why flaming is pointless.  If you really think someone is stupid, or pathetic, or whatever, just don't talk to them, it's that easy.  I only wish I could not talk to the people I don't like in real life, I try to do this every day and fail.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: E.K.Virtanen on May 26, 2005, 04:56:49 AM
Well, im a quiet one in this forum but i have few forums around the net and i like to stick my spoon on this soup  :lol:

1. Problem is, there are so many users from so many different time  zones that if you want forum to be clear of flaming etc. stuff, you just simply need lot's of more moderators.

2. I didnt check, but does moderators have certain areas to keep an eye? No point to let all moderators watch all areas. Moderator A keeps an eye of FreeBasic area with moderators B and C. Moderator D watches QB area with...and so on.

Its easy to check some certain area, its pretty quickly. Log in, check new posts and go back on real life. Even when im having barbeque partys, ill check my pet forum time to time (once/twice on evening) and make sure theres no posts that needs to remove. Takes few minutes.

3. After every few months, owner of site should find out does all moderators still feel like they want to continue with theyr jobs in here. If any one even doubts, new moderator on "ring" and old out.

But one thing is good. Its good to conversate about these things, quietnes in this point would be bad thing  8)

UGH, i have spoken and ill hide there somewhere  :lol:


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on May 26, 2005, 05:51:13 AM
Quote from: "Jofers"
OK.  Yes.  See, this is what this thread is try to deal with.  Zire, you just provoked flaming from tbbq, and tbbq, you just flamed Zire.  In a thread about stopping people from flaming each other on the forum.

Jofers, I just cleared up misconceptions that he may have. If I had to flame him, then I would've done it at every chance that I had. Z!re leaves a lot of flame baits. If you don't believe me then search these forums. I got pissed with this post because despite his "unstable" behavior and flames that he has started in the past, he has the audacity to suggest that he could be a better admin than WC while accusing WC of inaction and irresponsible behavior. I just can't stand it! I've turned a blind eye towards all of his flame baits in the past but some just deserve a good bashing from me.

Quote from: "Jofers"
Also, digging for old quotes to judge someone with really does make things worse.  I've said dumb things that are on the internet, everyone has.  It's not worth dragging to the forefront unless it's very relevant to the conversation at hand.

Old? For one its not an old post. Secondly, it is VERY relevant to this conversation. A person who wants to be an admin must show some qualities like maturity, diplomacy, responsibility etc... And very least of all *arrogance* which I find abundantly in Z!re. You will find a topic named "goodbye", "i'm killing myself!", "i'm leaving".... after every n days. I don't object to these topics. Heck! I don't care to reply to them. But does this behavior even remotely resemble that of a responsible person? :o let alone a forum admin?

Call me old fashioned but I think it is very disrespecful that such a person would insult WC and accuse him at the same time. Some of you may think I am a staunch supporter of WC or the admins. Don't harbor that misconception since there have been instances in the past that I wasn't happy with the decision of the forum admins. Plus, I am a strong critic as well.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Jofers on May 26, 2005, 05:57:34 AM
I understand where you are coming from.  But what to you is "clearing up misconceptions" comes across as an insult to Zire, and others.  It's also flamebait.  The moderators will take care of anything they find inappropriate from Zire, and your disapproval of Zire's comments should come across as "I don't think that's correct", and very specific/direct, not "...some of us here have a real life unlike some people who are online 24x7 at QBN .... *spamming*".  There are much better ways of saying that.

I'm not trying to say you didn't have a valid point, but be considerate of your audience, that's the whole 'ultimatum on personal attacks' thing had to put here in the first place.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Z!re on May 26, 2005, 07:05:31 AM
Before you read any further and all this goes out of hand:
All the names mentioned, and reasons, in my previous post, were and are meant as examples.

Quote from: "aetherFox"
And Zire - I know they aren't your owners/gods/masters or anything, but show a little decency. I know the moment someone bitches at you you'll start flaming away.

Decency? I am.. If I wasnt I would simply flame this place to pieces and never come back. I'm actually working for getting QBN back on track. Something most of you seem to elegantly miss.
You dont know me.

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
They give "rats ass" thats why they have the rules up here.

We all know people dont follow rules, that is why we have criminals.

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
You know why? Because some of us here have a real life unlike some people who are online 24x7 at QBN

That is kind of my point, admins/mods have too much work to do, and cant spend every moment here. Solution: Assign more admins/mods.

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
Thats funny, he has always responded quickly when I PMed him. He is always around and quick to fix problems.

Good for you then, I PMed him again about 10 hours ago.

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
ROTFLMAO dont flatter yourself. After those attention whore stunts you pulled off if I were WC, I would've banned you.

Wow, someone who makes posts like these is *really* worthy of being an admin.

http://forum.qbasicnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=109928&highlight=#109928

Everyone knows you and me disslike each other, it's kind of a fact.
The thread was starting to go towards an unpleasant mood, where you fealt attacked.
Now, tell me, did my post dissarm the situation, or did it spawn 3 more pages of flames?

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
:roll:

What?

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
So, you're saying that you're the only one here who can "save" QBN...  :rotfl:

I wouldnt mind helping to save it, on the contrary, I would be glad to.
And I clearly remember writing down more names than my own.

Yes, indeed I did.

Quote from: "Rokkuman"
Wildcard didn't really blame anyone in particular, yet you act as if he picked you out by the arm and told you to stop. Wildcard saw a lot of flaming (even though I'm not sure where that flaming is...), so he made a topic asking for it to stop. You didn't make a topic complaining about it in the first place, so now you're going to start when he actually makes a step in the right direction?

I have actually PMed wildcard about this issue before.

Two or three times in the past weeks.

Remember him appointing VonGodric as a moderator? I dont know if that was because of my PMs, but I do know he did it the day after he read it.

Quote from: "Jofers"
Zire, you just provoked flaming from tbbq

No, I didnt. Read my post again if you dont beleive it.

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
I got pissed with this post because despite his "unstable" behavior and flames that he has started in the past, he has the audacity to suggest that he could be a better admin than WC while accusing WC of inaction and irresponsible behavior.

I did never suggest myself as an admin, what I did do though was:
Quote from: "Z!re"
Now, if we start breaking down to the regulars

And then, you may notice I placed myself in the same list as the other "rejects", wildcard has spoken out his disslike towards Adosorken atleast twice that I know of.

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
I just can't stand it! I've turned a blind eye towards all of his flame baits in the past but some just deserve a good bashing from me.

Do you know what the term "Devils Advocate" means?
And do you understand why most of the former, and some of the current, regulars call you that?

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
A person who wants to be an admin must show some qualities like maturity, diplomacy, responsibility etc... And very least of all *arrogance* which I find abundantly in Z!re. You will find a topic named "goodbye", "i'm killing myself!", "i'm leaving".... after every n days. I don't object to these topics. Heck! I don't care to reply to them. But does this behavior even remotely resemble that of a responsible person?

I dont see how me posting topics when I'm depressed is arrogant.
Why would posting such topics automatically mean I'm irresponsible?

I make topics when I'm tired of living, when I dont see any reason anymore.
The replies, even the ones saying that I should take it or leave it, make me realize that atleast someone care.

And at the moment, all I have is just a forum, filled with people, whom I've never meet, yet consider friends.

Those who care enough talk to me on MSN, or even send a PM..

It makes me feel appreciated and liked.

While you may not like it, it isnt against any of the forum rules, and it keeps me alive.

Although, you dont have to worry, I wont make any more topics like that.

Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
insult WC

I never did, you're missinterpreting something.



Also, it amazes me, that when I make a post because I want to save QBN, and make it a better place.

All you people can do is flame and debate useless details that are so meaningless it's painfull..

After all, who am I to make such a post!
Z!re, who spams every topic!
Z!re, who flames every n00b and regular the like!
Z!re, who never helps and only post "RTFM n00b!!!"
Z!re, who always ruin the debates
Z!re, who does nothing good but waste server space

You expect me to flame
You expect me to use sarcasm
You expect me to be mean
You expect me to be a bitch

So who am I to post about saving the forum?
Who am I to complain at the admins?


I'll tell you.. I'm the right person..

I mess this place up, I flame, I fight, I argue, I debate, I do everything to piss people off.


I want to save the forum.
I want to make it a better place.



Maybe you dont want to.. you dont have to, noone is forcing you..

Maybe we should all just let it keep sinking.. After all, ignoring something is just so much easier.


Ofcourse I will make a post about it, I'm the loudmouth, the annoyance, the one who never shuts up.

I speak my mind, always.



Thats who I am...



Who are you? Yes, you, who are whining at some piss detail that doesent matter... Who are you? What are you doing here? Why dont you make a post about saving the forum? Why arent you doing anything?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: ShadowWolf on May 26, 2005, 07:47:15 AM
Z!re why do you even bother i mean this ship is sinkingjust sit back and let it happen nothing going to stop it. and if you try your just going to get flamed.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Spotted Cheetah on May 26, 2005, 07:52:07 AM
I think i still have a lot to learn :-?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: MystikShadows on May 26, 2005, 08:00:21 AM
I don't know about Z!re, but I can speak for myself, in the one year I've been here.  I fond QBasicNews is definitaly worth the effort to at least try to save.  (Yes I'm still here, I didn't shut down my computer, when I do, there goes my internet, it might even kick me offline by itself lol) so if I can have an extra day online, I will lol, I expect to get cut off any minute).

When I say It's worth saving, i'm not just talking about the website and the forum, I'm talking about the members too.  A good way to do that is (read my previous post on this thread :-) it's all detailed right there).  Keeping QBasicNews online is easy, heck when it went off a little while back, I and another were ready to provide space and bandwidth to make sure QBasicNews wasn't gone for good.  That part of saving QBasicNews isn't a problem and won't be either.  The other part of saving this forum is of course the people.  Wether Admins or Moderators it doesn't matter, if they believe it's best to let the ship sink, they shouldn't be mods or admins for that matter and they missed what an admin and moderator are supposed to be (again see my previous post in this thread).  IF any admin cares about the faith of QBasicNews, they should be doing more than what is being done to help save it.  If they were doing enough it wouldn't be sinking.  

It all depends on the point of view you take to analyse all this.  It's definitaly savable as it's not as bad as some may think, but don't wait till it's too late...the time to act is now.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Jocke The Beast on May 26, 2005, 08:05:28 AM
For gods sake! If you guys don't like how the admins/moderators handle this forum...then leave! I'm sick & tired of these discussions where people seems to think that forums are democracy-hideouts where everyone have the right to decide and do whatever they wan't. Fuck that! If I "ruled" this place I would just say: love it or leave it...
 :roll:


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Z!re on May 26, 2005, 08:10:42 AM
While it may elude you, we are trying to make people want to stay.

It's quite a subtle point throughout my post.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: MystikShadows on May 26, 2005, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: "Jocke The Beast"
how the admins/moderators handle this forum...


If you add a ? a the end of this part of your post, you got exactly what we'd like to know/change.   democracy hideout?  It's not what we're trying to preach here.  This is a very common situation that any board that grows to have several hundred members will ultimately have to face, no matter what the board is about.  With growth must come somekind of structure (I don't necessarily mean discipline, law and order here) I mean structure.  Have you read my 2 previous posts?  I thought I was being quite clear then.  As I am trying to be here.  

If someone comes on a forum like this one and tries to throw chaos around, he will most likely succeed if he knows he's got plenty of time to do his thing.  How many bank robbers would rob all their lives if they knew no cops would show up for a week?  This is just an example.  But I don't want to compare this board with somekind of criminal justice here.  But the fact that this board has so many members should be enough (by common sense alone) to say that "we need more mods/admins" it's the only thing you need with a growing number of members, the only thing that will make the board successful.  Logically at some point, the admins/mods must have been doing a good job or there wouldn't be 1600 some members here.  To keep doing a good job, you have to add enough people to be able to handle the mass....just like a job...a man/woman can only do so much, if the company needs more done, then need to hire more help or they'll never get things done.  

I'm not saying the current list of admins/mods are doing  a bad job either, I'm just saying that they can't supply the demand.  Getting VonGodric aboard as a mod is a good idea, but just one more mod like that isn't enough..they need more mods doing more things in different places on the forum to help  keep QBasicNews as good as it historically has been.  it's not democracy, it's not political, it's not authority or power, it's just simple common sense.  A mod can only do so much.  After that you need more mods.  Makes sense no? :-).

A mod and an admin for that matter should also try to get people to post more.  Get people involved in the community that the board is supposed to represent :-).  Loooking at the ratio of Members to Members who post, I'm thinking there might be a bit more that can be done on that side of things too.  :-)


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2005, 09:17:56 AM
Quote from: "MystikShadows"
If someone comes on a forum like this one and tries to throw chaos around...


those meanie heads :cry:



;]


hey, i agree. my favorite forum on the whole internet is dying and nothing is being done. im sort of pissed off... ;/ i dunno WHAT this place needs... more mods would be a good start... it was absolutely amazing how long that dudes question asking for help to make a keylogger stayed around... if i was a mod that wouldve been gone like the second he posted it...


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Neo on May 26, 2005, 09:54:43 AM
Ok... now it's my time to post.

I have to agree with wildcard that this forum has become a strange place of flaming and quasi attacks lately, and nothing really interesting happens anymore.

Quote from: "Z!re"
Neo - Comes around, but would probably be too nice for the admin/mod position, and wouldnt do anything

The reason I don't visit many times anymore? That question is a contradiction in itself. I am here many, many hours a day, as a guest. I only log on if I see something interesting happens. I don't like heavy flamefights, nor personal attacks, and those are not in my list of "interesting" things.

Secondly, I might be a very nice person, and it's one of the person Oracle made me admin at QBNZ. But now he's gone and nothing really happens there, but I can remember having to hundreds of posts from a spambot (and ban it) after a while. I think it saw the board was not much populated. Also some idiots were banned =) Anyway, I'm a nice person, with rules, and I like order. And this board has been more chaos than ever before.

Indeed something has to be done, in that sense I completely agree with Z!re and wildcard. Either assign more moderators/admins, or stimulate the currently, a lot visiting, admins to keep order more.

Quote from: "Z!re"
why do you even bother i mean this ship is sinkingjust sit back and let it happen nothing going to stop it. and if you try your just going to get flamed.

Remember I used to have the quote "Everything is possible - even if it's impossible" in my signature a long while ago. No ship is sinking if you don't want it to sink, simple.

Quote from: "The Big Basic Q"
insult WC

Most flamewars start from misintrepetations and misreadings. TBBQ, please read before posting a reply that develops the flamewar even more. (oh why do I have to say it again).

Quote from: "Z!re"
And at the moment, all I have is just a forum, filled with people, whom I've never meet, yet consider friends. Those who care enough talk to me on MSN, or even send a PM.. It makes me feel appreciated and liked.

:)

Quote from: "Z!re"
1. Z!re, who spams every topic!
2. Z!re, who flames every n00b and regular the like!
3. Z!re, who never helps and only post "RTFM n00b!!!"
4. Z!re, who always ruin the debates
5. Z!re, who does nothing good but waste server space

1. You don't, seen relatively to other people here *looks at them*
2. You're again not the only one who does that. There are only a very few people who haven't been flamed by Nekrosoda.
3. Sometimes it's more than enough. (Although it would be nicer to have RTFM in combination with a link to the manual).
4. Simple. Not. I've never seen such a debating person as you. You making debates go other directions is caused by misunderstandings of other people, and you making a topic go quiet is brilliant tactical knockout and no one knows what to reply to you.
5. Haha :P I don't know anyone who doesn't.

Quote from: "Spotted Cheetah"
I think i still have a lot to learn

Oh don't worry... everyone has.


Now please stop moaning, whining, flaming, or what else you're doing here. I don't think Wildcard is happy with it, even in this topic.
Let him decide what to do. He is doing good so far.

I hope this post was any use, else it's just another garbage post of mine (I always make garbage posts).

Neo




P.S.: Sorry for this outdated message, somehow QBN Forum didn't allow me to post this earlier.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Kylemc on May 26, 2005, 11:43:56 AM
This is getting stupid. Why don't you lock this?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Imortis on May 26, 2005, 12:38:55 PM
I have been lurking in the shadows reading posts from here since the beginning of 2005.  I never noticed that anything was going on because my previous experiance with forums was this one:
http://www.heroinpuppy.com/forums/YaBB.cgi
Those guys are insane.  Compared to that this forum is an episode of Barney.

I'm not saying that it's perfect, but it and the FBTK forums are the only places I visit anymore.  If something is wrong here, I would love to lend a hand in fixing it.  I don't know what I could do, but I will offer none the less.  I'm sure there is something I could do...


Title: Re: Personal attacks
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on May 26, 2005, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: "Z!re"
....And at the moment, all I have is just a forum, filled with people, whom I've never meet, yet consider friends.

Those who care enough talk to me on MSN, or even send a PM..

It makes me feel appreciated and liked.

While you may not like it, it isnt against any of the forum rules, and it keeps me alive.

Although, you dont have to worry, I wont make any more topics like that.

Did I say dont make such topics? :-?

Quote
Who are you? Yes, you, who are whining at some piss detail that doesent matter... Who are you? What are you doing here? Why dont you make a post about saving the forum? Why arent you doing anything?

I don't need to make a post about saving the forum because contrary to what anybody may think I've stopped responding to many topics even if I feel strongly against the thoughts/opinions or flame baits - self moderation.

What this forum needs is members to moderate themselves not more moderators/admins. Increasing the number of mods WONT keep forum members from bitching and constant flaiming / lashing out at each other. If you guys REALLY want to save this place then I say you start moderating your OWN posts! Because WC himself says this
Quote from: "wildcard"
In recent months and days the amount of personal attacks has been on the increase.

Where do you THINK these personal attacks come from?

Quote from: "wildcard"
Posts that contain personal attacks, like always will be subject to removal/editing and if serious or repeat offending occurs banning will be considered.

When would a moderator/admin NEED to edit a post?

Quote from: "wildcard"
If you are or have been the subject of an attack, or notice one; please do not take the bait/or respond back to it as that only serves to feed the attacker. The moderators/admins will deal with attacks as soon as they see them, but feel free to contact one of them.

Thats a solution to the problem. If you can't read between the lines then let me make it very clear to you - "Self Moderation"


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Rokkuman on May 26, 2005, 01:30:07 PM
Look. I really don't think we need all this, because it's a little bit backwards in thinking. Z!re's post was, as usual, just a little bit zealous in tone... but there's really no reason to drag it out this far, and distort the main underlying point in his reasoning. This topic can honestly progress just fine with everyone's temper in-tact...


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Sumo Jo on May 26, 2005, 01:52:19 PM
Or we can just drop the whole thing between each other and wait to see Wildcard's response as enough opinions and fighting have already been done in this topic.  

Seriously.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: E.K.Virtanen on May 26, 2005, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: "Jocke The Beast"
For gods sake! If you guys don't like how the admins/moderators handle this forum...then leave!


:-/

Anyway, we are responsibility about our words, every darn singe one of us. Some ones honors that responsibility, some ones wont. Feedback, good or bad aint reason to stay or leave.

If moderators takes bad feedback as an insult, then i guess were done here.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Sumo Jo on May 26, 2005, 03:53:27 PM
This didn't turn out so well: the topic was split, no response from wildcard and Z!re was banned.

Who would have guessed that this wouldn't turn out very nicely?

Did anyone else get banned in this?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: E.K.Virtanen on May 26, 2005, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: "sumojo"
Did anyone else get banned in this?


Theres no reason to ban anyone?
IMO stuff, thats all.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: SJ Zero on May 26, 2005, 04:05:34 PM
I hope you realize the irony of Wildcard making a second post. :P

Some people need to lay off the attack button. ;)


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Sumo Jo on May 26, 2005, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: "SJ Zero"
I hope you realize the irony of Wildcard making a second post. :P

Some people need to lay off the attack button. ;)


I can understand that being out of control but some people asked of things constructively.  Or at least asked about some things without seeming (at least to me) that they were being negative or attacking and that was what I was expecting a reply to.  Not a "don't flame" post.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Zap on May 26, 2005, 04:23:39 PM
So why was Z!re banned?

All I see her doing is providing us with interesting views and opinions, in her own way, but nothing that should cause a ban.

And what happened to the three-warnings thing?

Surely, I dont see what Z!re has done that TBBQ hasnt...


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: E.K.Virtanen on May 26, 2005, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: "Zap"
So why was Z!re banned?

All I see her doing is providing us with interesting views and opinions, in her own way, but nothing that should cause a ban.

And what happened to the three-warnings thing?

Surely, I dont see what Z!re has done that TBBQ hasnt...


Ill agree, if Z!re is banned, i guess there is way more peeps to ban?
So whats my quequenumber on ban list?

"Z!re - Banned from QBN says:
ask him, in an open post
Z!re - Banned from QBN says:
why i didnt get my three warnings if i was such a pain in the ass
Z!re - Banned from QBN says:
and also ask him why he did not mention that when we PMed each other a few days ago, when I suggessted he add more mods/admins"

Ugh, im done...once again....


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: wildcard on May 26, 2005, 04:51:03 PM
Z!re has been banned, Z!re has received 3 official warnings and several requests relating to his/her posts.

I don't think there should be any need for a moderator or admin in a civilised forum, why is it so difficult to impose self control/self moderation on your posts?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Neo on May 26, 2005, 04:51:45 PM
I completely agree with Zap.

I told this once before, Zap repeated it, and now I'll repeat it again.

Z!re has done nothing I could consider so serious that would lead to an immediate ban without applying the 3-warning rules. Above that all, TBBQ has been a fan of it too, the things Z!re does now. And indeed, as Zap said, TBBQ has done far worse things than Z!re, and yet people still like him and keep him in (although I can remember he was kicked from some other board), while people don't do the same with Z!re and issue a ban.

Anyway, I think my point is clear already, but I'm not satisfied with this "immediate course of action" without applying your own rules.

Z!re is one of the most active members in the community and although her language is sometimes harsh and she is very bipolar (doom <-> pure happiness) sometimes, and I find she mostly has something to tell in here. The only thing you need to do is read the underlying thoughts to make a seemingly useless post contain a lot of information.

Sorry, I think it's time to stop now. I don't agree with it, and completely agree with Zap and lurah. And as lurah said, if you ban Z!re there are some more people who should have been.

Neo -
The little black rose


Note: this message has been writted with self-control and with a lot of thinking. I don't post "stupid" posts. I just like to express my opinion, do with it what you want.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Sumo Jo on May 26, 2005, 04:55:26 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Zap, Lurah and Neo.

I'd also like to know how long until I'm banned for speaking my opinion?  I don't believe Z!re did anything other than that and yet that was what Z!re was banned for.  If you're now banning for that you may want to lay the banhammer down on a few more people.

Last I checked forums were for speaking your opinion.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: aetherfox on May 26, 2005, 05:00:29 PM
Imortis probably said the wisest thing so far.

wildcard, I wish you'd take my suggestion on a Toasty forum.  Is it really that bad an idea?  The forum will basically moderate itself with the only thing that needs to be done being a possible Move_Topic here and there.

I notice you actually haven't even responded to this suggestion, not before, not ever.  Is there any particular reason?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: E.K.Virtanen on May 26, 2005, 05:03:20 PM
So Z!re sayd words that might hurt some ones.
But also Zire told the truth.  8)

<--- My dog also thinks this way, and for sake of "god", my dog is ALLWAYS right!


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: wildcard on May 26, 2005, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: "aetherfox"
I notice you actually haven't even responded to this suggestion, not before, not ever.  Is there any particular reason?


I don't know how well it would work here, although the debate forum has sort of turned towards something like that. Anyway its worth considering.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: aetherfox on May 26, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
"Don't know how well it will work here"?

Care to elaborate?

At the risk of sounding zealous like this thread has seen, maybe you need to rethink your priorities.  Is QBN all you have in life?  Could you possibly imagine how easy like could if you adopted a system similar to this?  Less time wasted "admining" and more time to do stuff like actually make proper posts, or maybe go out for a beer or buy your girlfriend a teddy bear.

I'm not saying it's the perfect solution, but from the flaws being drawn out in this thread, I reckon it's a more effective solution than most.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Zap on May 26, 2005, 05:20:46 PM
Quote
I don't think there should be any need for a moderator or admin in a civilised forum, why is it so difficult to impose self control/self moderation on your posts?


We need more mods so that there will often be someone around to move topics to where they belong, especially those that should have been posted in the Debate forum.

And I agree on the Toasty idea. If QBN had such a forum, there'd be no need for deleting posts, only moving to the correct forum.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: SJ Zero on May 26, 2005, 05:27:18 PM
If TBN is any indication, a forum like aetherfox is suggesting could work as an effective preventative measure. While the forum where people could say ANYTHING got tonnes of posts at first, after a while it slowed to a trickle, as the pent-up stress which would lead perople to post there was bled off in safe manner. :)


Title: Read this fast, i dont think it will stay long.
Post by: MystikShadows on May 26, 2005, 05:32:39 PM
Ok, things have gone completely out of hand here.  Next time I have the bright idea to suggest something, as I've tried to do, I'll shut the hell up. What's this I hear about people getting banned, over this thread?

This is nothing but a perfect example of the work that DOES need to be done here.  The ignorance of the powers that be here is obvious. All I'm seeing from the mods and admins too is "immaturity" and no will to make this forum, or themselves the best they both could be.  Banning Z!re has only manage to accomplish that in my eye, show how power hungry the mods/admins are.  Like everyone's been saying, Z!re is a very active member of the community, the most probably.  And yet, you "powers" think that you solved your little problem by banning Zire?  You just keep on believing that, it's the perfect recipe to make sure you all have plenty of spare time on your hands.  

What good is a community wanting to make things good for all, when obviously the admins and mods have this weird conception that it's only up to the people to "behave themselves" and you'll just zget rid of all who don't?  Damn you need to reread your admin/mod manuals here folks.  As long as you believe that, you'll move the board or the community forward.  it's just not how it's done, I've written it down in details how things should work (to make it a better place for both us, and the "powers that be".  you have chosen to skip right over it because you believe you got the "real" solution.  Believe that if you will, and you'll see where it takes you.   I gave those guidelines because I know theyt work, I've made them work even on boards with 20,000 members or more.  I've been there and done that.  But obviously, I'm wrong and you guys are "right" right?

Everything "replies and all" I've seen from the admins here (cept a few mods). Are all signs that things badly need to change.  If you gues can't get a clue, or rather, don't wanna get a clue because for some reason (power trip probably in at least some of the cases, atleast)  your way is the right way.  while you keep getting hit with proof and reasons why your way is NOT the right way, how many situations will you need before you see passed what you think is right?

Your way of thinking might work for a board with a hundred (or 2) members, but not when you get this big.  Wake up and smell reality here.

If I get banned for this, take it as yet another proof of what I'm saying is right.

Sorry but I can see that the "powers" need to wake up and shake things down here.  Don't tell me the members need to moderate themselves, though it's common sense, reality already showing you it's not gonna happen...so now it's up to YOU people to do something about it.  Get off your lazy butts and get busy.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: SJ Zero on May 26, 2005, 05:37:00 PM
Honestly, I don't think speaking in that tone will accomplish anything, Mystik. Let's say you ran a website and someone was talking about how weak ignorant and out of touch you were. Would that induce you to perk right up and listen to what they had to say?


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Sumo Jo on May 26, 2005, 05:43:55 PM
I don't think many people have spoken in an angry tone and yet they seem to have been ignored SJ.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Rhiannon on May 26, 2005, 05:44:15 PM
message from Z!re:
It was fun while it lasted.
QBN used to be a fun and nice place to be, it isnt anymore. I wont come back.

Those of you still wanting to get in contact with me, or get updates on FieldView or other things, can reach me on www.fbtk.net

To those who showed support: Thank you, be careful.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: SJ Zero on May 26, 2005, 05:48:18 PM
sumojo: Better to be ignored than actively rejected.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Sumo Jo on May 26, 2005, 05:51:02 PM
Quote from: "SJ Zero"
sumojo: Better to be ignored than actively rejected.


Agreed.  Although on a forum it seems as if the admin would want user input as the forum is generally designed for the users to use.  Therefore if a suggestion was to be made, it would seem that the requests would not be ignored but be responded to both to give the user an idea of how the admin wants the site to be and to let the user know why his/her idea would or wouldn't work.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: E.K.Virtanen on May 26, 2005, 05:53:37 PM
Ill sign up everything Mystik sayd.

Forum as this one (size of members) cant be no more "happy qb/fb" forum. This is like a number 1. _now_.

Instead of bannin or posting your "ill disagree" replyes, you mates really should look in a mirror. WE, and with word we i mean that piece of members who _still_ enjoys and loves to be here,  WE are still are here.

If you cant handle situations like this on this size of forum, then i guess we need more (more, not to get riddof old ones) moderators.
This is ffs site where newbies comes and what is result and what they see? You (anyone) want that 11 years old newbie saws things like this?

I don't want to.

I think, we're not your problem, you're not the problem. So lets we all think a bit, and  _we'll _ know whats the problem.

If moderators are out of this thing, then gather your team up and make a new strategy. Members of this site!, shut up and give moderators and owner of site a bit time to put their strategies into place.

If Z!re is banned, then why im not. Ill stand behind every darn word she has said?

This is a offence, for moderators, for members and for me....

The gumpy way...is the ONLY way


[EDIT]
My english aint good. Sorry about that.
[/EDIT]


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: MystikShadows on May 26, 2005, 06:00:26 PM
Quote from: "SJ Zero"
Honestly, I don't think speaking in that tone will accomplish anything, Mystik. Let's say you ran a website and someone was talking about how weak ignorant and out of touch you were. Would that induce you to perk right up and listen to what they had to say?


lol...well no, you have a point there...however, that last post, got your attention didn't it? ;-). and that's all I wanted.

It's all in good faith really.  If everyone can remember that, all I'm trying to do is for the good of the community.  Delete my angry post if you wish, I don't mind that and I'd certainly understand if you did, but if you'd kindly go back and read my first two posts (filled with suggestions) and see what can be extracted from them and put into action, I'd be much obliged.  I've been on boards and chatting for 10 years now.  I've been moderators and admin and host (in chat rooms) for all of that time.  So I have alot of background to base my posts on I made these observations and suggestions in those other 2 posts only because I sensed what was about to happen.  Guess I just wasn't fast enough or you didn't read them fast enough.  

Like lurah said while I've been writing this, QBasicNews is number one.  With that position comes a certain sense of pride of course, but also of responsibilities and workload to keep things flowing nicely. Definality adaptablity is a big plus to really adapt, and fast, the the new reality that QBasicNews has become.  It's really all I'm trying to get across.  Things just are as they were in the first year that QBasicnews opened, or even the couple years after that.  IT's a big place now, Mods do need to be there or there will always be situations to deal with whever they do happen to show themselves here.  Like Lurah said, a new strategy, a new set of "ways of doing things and dealing with situation" is in order....he's right.  And All you need to do is sit down with the other mods and admins, and talk about it...common sense, it's all that's needed.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Sumo Jo on May 26, 2005, 06:11:08 PM
Quote from: "Wildcard"
Posts that contain personal attacks, like always will be subject to removal/editing and if serious or repeat offending occurs banning will be considered.


I hope you plan on following these rules you set yourself...

Quote from: "TBBQ"
You know why? Because some of us here have a real life unlike some people who are online 24x7 at QBN .... *spamming*


Quote from: "TBBQ"
ROTFLMAO dont flatter yourself. After those attention whore stunts you pulled off if I were WC, I would've banned you.

Wow, someone who makes posts like these is *really* worthy of being an admin.

http://forum.qbasicnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=109928&highlight=#109928



That was just in his first post.  Three attacks in the damn thread you posted the rules in.
I'm glad to see the rules apply to those that you'd like them to apply to.


Title: Re: Read this fast, i dont think it will stay long.
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on May 26, 2005, 06:15:43 PM
Quote from: "Neo"
Z!re has done nothing I could consider so serious that would lead to an immediate ban without applying the 3-warning rules.


I believe WC made this post before you did:
Quote from: "wildcard"
Z!re has been banned, Z!re has received 3 official warnings and several requests relating to his/her posts.


Quote from: "Neo"
Above that all, TBBQ has been a fan of it too, the things Z!re does now.

May be I am reading this wrongly but I don't understand what you're trying to say.

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And indeed, as Zap said, TBBQ has done far worse things than Z!re, and yet people still like him and keep him in (although I can remember he was kicked from some other board), while people don't do the same with Z!re and issue a ban.

Ok, point one out? Have I incessently flamed someone? The last time I remember flaming someone was Blitz and that too a LONG time ago and if I remember correctly I wasn't alone. Have you seen me posting obscene things? hurtful remarks to someone? I have been warned by WC a couple of times a long time ago. Since then I've changed my ways out of respect for this boards rules. And I don't think many "like" me. Yes, thats a part of being honest. One makes more enemies than friends.

Quote from: "Neo"
Anyway, I think my point is clear already, but I'm not satisfied with this "immediate course of action" without applying your own rules.

Read my first remark. WC had warned Z!re.

Quote from: "Neo"
Z!re is one of the most active members in the community and although her language is sometimes harsh and she is very bipolar (doom <-> pure happiness) sometimes, and I find she mostly has something to tell in here. The only thing you need to do is read the underlying thoughts to make a seemingly useless post contain a lot of information.

Ironically, two of your remarks were a result of lack of reading. IMHO there is a fine line between using harsh language, being critical, honest and down right insulting.

Quote from: "wildcard"
... I don't think there should be any need for a moderator or admin in a civilised forum, why is it so difficult to impose self control/self moderation on your posts?

My thoughts exactly.

I used to think programmers/developers were a level better than regular people. I used to consider them 'enlightened', ones who would rarely enter into conflicts and have self control. Alas this qumunity has a lot to learn. This infighting will lead to its destruction lest members learn to control themselves.

MystikShadows, have you ever been to www.linuxquestions.org ? Try posting in the softest tone with wrong intentions and just see how quickly you're kicked out and banned. IMHO QBN is one of the most liberal boards online. Rules are in place for a reason. You break them you get punished, I break them I get punished.

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Quote from: "sumojo"
That was just in his first post.  Three attacks in the damn thread you posted the rules in.
I'm glad to see the rules apply to those that you'd like them to apply to.

Try justifying this - the court of law hangs someone because of a crime he/she commits. A criminal kills someone. In the end we witness death of an individual. Does that mean the court of law is a criminal as well? I'm sorry if you don't understand the relevance of these words to your post.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: SJ Zero on May 26, 2005, 06:19:03 PM
Liberal isn't the word to use -- being prudish isn't a partisan thing. :P


Title: Re: Read this fast, i dont think it will stay long.
Post by: Sumo Jo on May 26, 2005, 06:20:33 PM
Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
You break them you get punished, I break them I get punished.


Waiting...


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: E.K.Virtanen on May 26, 2005, 06:20:55 PM
Quote from: "TBBQ"
You know why? Because some of us here have a real life unlike some people who are online 24x7 at QBN .... *spamming*


Ok, now i get ticket to out of here.

You have real life? Nice, i have too.  Girlfriend, 2x dog, 3xrats, iguana, gekko, snake, horse and a cat <--- i can still be here more than meny more, even those ones who should be here. I dont post, because i get answers from other source (Variable = Mystik) :lol:

As i told, this is offence, against us all.

Its nice to argue, i allmost love it (well, usually i can make it so im right
 8) ) so are we done here?

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And i have 8 hour work days.
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Title: Personal attacks
Post by: marzecTM on May 26, 2005, 06:23:30 PM
funny how things evolve.

i've been here regularly since the rise of fb that is since november. i was never really offended by anything in here, nor thought the tone is to harsh.

the only thing i noticed is the settling down of all this fb things. there's hardly interesting topics at this point, ppl get bored, ppl are leaving. what do you expect if the 1000th opengl demo is posted and gets more attention then say a textmode app that does thousand times more then this.

that is the only thing i could notice. fights and flames have been part since day one of my visits. i think those are ok and i haven't seen a single one that didn't settle down.

ow, if ppl get bored that's what happens create a problem out of nowhere.. btw, good idea to ban z1re...


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Dio on May 29, 2005, 05:37:00 AM
Quote from: "Imortis"
I have been lurking in the shadows reading posts from here since the beginning of 2005.  I never noticed that anything was going on because my previous experiance with forums was this one:
http://www.heroinpuppy.com/forums/YaBB.cgi
Those guys are insane.  Compared to that this forum is an episode of Barney.

i don't want to seem a little too of topic, but i was reading this thread and Imortis posted heroinpuppy was a very bad place. the link below  opens the gates to hell! it makes heroinpuppy look like barney and QBN forums look like...tella-tubbies((sp)i don't care)

caution!!!! very bad language is used in these forums

these guys are messed up! (http://www.3dmm.com/bboard/)


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Jofers on May 29, 2005, 02:16:51 PM
Marzec:  I've been here since the site went up - I'm something like the 8th person to register.  It didn't used to be like this, until about a year or two ago, and with the advent of FB the flames just exploded in number.


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: marzecTM on May 29, 2005, 04:02:57 PM
ic well i can only judge from what i saw :) and really i know a lot worse places on the net then this


Title: Personal attacks
Post by: Jofers on May 29, 2005, 04:45:25 PM
True, but that's not saying much :)