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Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: wildcard on October 19, 2004, 02:08:16 PM
For a while I'm been wondering if I should/could place ads on the main site to help cover costs and help increase budget to host more sites. I'm posting a poll to get everyone's opionions. Here are two mockup/options if theres enough support/not too many complaints ;-)

http://qbasicnews.com/aindex.php
http://qbasicnews.com/bindex.php

Please post your comments/suggestions.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Zap on October 19, 2004, 03:19:07 PM
Google ads sucks to the limit. Checking the page for words to search for in the ads db sounds smart, but actually it looks at the page every single time it loads (yes proven by tests, by me) and making it some bit slower. Also people rarely actually click ads, so if they still exists, you should try get some that pay per view, even if the fee is way smaller.

But I wouldn't mind a lil ad there.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: oracle on October 19, 2004, 08:03:40 PM
Does the question need rephrasing? Is it "yes, I DO mind that there are adverts so don't put them there", or is it "yes, adverts are fine"?

I don't mind ads, but put them at the bottom of the page.

And we'd get more click-throughs if the ads were on the forums. They could be put at the bottom of each page (like at phpBB.com) so they don't slow down actually getting the *content*. And they'd be out of the way.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Rokkuman on October 19, 2004, 08:39:38 PM
Well, if you know how to do it right, ads can actually give your site a more professionalish look, but above and under the logo, isn't it. Maybe one at the top, and one at the bottom. Or both at the bottom.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Fling-master on October 19, 2004, 08:48:14 PM
If we are going to do it, I think it may be a good idea to redo the layout of the site to accomodate them as putting them above the logo like that is, IMO, ugly. Putting them at the bottom of the page probably won't be as profitable... I don't know about the rest of you, but I barely ever actually scroll to the bottom of the main page.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: whitetiger0990 on October 19, 2004, 10:29:29 PM
Quote from: "Bottom Google AD"
QBasic is for DOS
Liberty BASIC is for Windows! Download a free trial today


xD

That's barely helping......


I wouldn't mind ADs (I always link directly to the forum) so it doesn't bother me. Though they should be...... better. i think


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: KiZ on October 20, 2004, 07:48:51 AM
At least try to get the ad colours to tie in with the black/grey look of QBN. I mean, the top ads are great, but the white ads stand out to much and break up the page too much.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: adosorken on October 20, 2004, 11:18:28 AM
I detest advertising personally, so I voted "yes, I would mind!". But since I never visit the front page, meh...do whatever you want. :D I don't think a site like qbasicnews.com is going to generate a lot of revenue from advertising, but if you have a site which draws a larger userbase, then advertise on that site instead...it'll be far more effective to advertise to adults than to a majority of kids.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: barok on October 20, 2004, 11:25:36 AM
I don't mind ads.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: wildcard on October 20, 2004, 01:51:13 PM
I didn't realize the problem with the bindex one(2nd one). Something must have changed after I last tested it. But its a mute point, its probably not going help much.. but I may do a testing with it at the bottom for a week.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on October 21, 2004, 07:48:37 AM
i dont mind the ads. But put them below the logo and before the forum actually starts. That way you'll ensure their visibility. Also, IMO dont use google ads. Get some real commercial ads which will fetch lotsa clicks. There are very few ads pertaining to QB and such sites...


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: HQSneaker on October 21, 2004, 07:55:41 AM
Sure, to cover the costs, but no google ads


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: wildcard on October 21, 2004, 12:35:21 PM
I won't be running google ads or a trial of them. Seems pointless anyway.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: ak00ma on October 21, 2004, 05:34:57 PM
I like the way of ads they use on www.gamedev.net
just a suggestion....


Title: Re: Ads on the main site
Post by: relsoft on October 22, 2004, 04:57:12 AM
Quote from: "wildcard"
For a while I'm been wondering if I should/could place ads on the main site to help cover costs and help increase budget to host more sites. I'm posting a poll to get everyone's opionions. Here are two mockup/options if theres enough support/not too many complaints ;-)

http://qbasicnews.com/aindex.php
http://qbasicnews.com/bindex.php

Please post your comments/suggestions.


Why not?  Go ahead. :*)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Neo on October 22, 2004, 08:33:58 AM
I'm not a big fan of advertisements, but I wouldn't mind if there would be advertisements here.

Also, option #2 is ridiculous, please never put advertisements above and below your logo... In option #1 however, I didn't even see advertisements... ;)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Pete on October 22, 2004, 10:04:38 AM
Here's a strategy I've seen used by sites in the past:
You can create a specific "ads" page, and ask people on the message forum to click on them voluntarily, instead of intrusively putting them on the forum or the main page.   If you wrote a little bit about how you need clicks to keep this site alive, etc., etc., you'd probably get  more clicks.  (Also, I'm sure there are some younger, more dedicated QBers here that would go "click crazy".....the excited new QB types that post things in the wrong forums and can't spell would probably be very dedicated clickers.)

Face it -- these days, banner ads are like digital furniture.  You don't notice them, and you sure as hell don't click them.  I myself haven't clicked a banner ad since about 1999.  (Except for those damn "Punch The Monkey!" ones... those ones are too fun to pass up!)

On the other hand, you could also set up a PayPal account for QBasic News and have people voluntarily donate money.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: HQSneaker on October 22, 2004, 01:26:25 PM
Neo, aindex --> at the bottom. bindex --> below the logo


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Neo on October 22, 2004, 02:37:25 PM
Yeah, I knew where the advertisements in bindex.php were, but I don't know where they were in aindex.php. Now I see ;)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on October 23, 2004, 11:43:25 AM
neo you have sight but you dont have vision =P.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Neo on October 23, 2004, 11:55:47 AM
No, I see it now :P I had my ad-blocker on ;)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Rhiannon on October 26, 2004, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: "Pete"
n the other hand, you could also set up a PayPal account for QBasic News and have people voluntarily donate money.


Good idea. Why don't you give us an idea of how much you are spending, and it'll encourage people to donate.  I'm sure everyone can donate something, even if it's a dollar every three months or something. :)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: wildcard on October 26, 2004, 06:21:33 AM
I don't really feel comfortable having a donating bit on qbasicnews.com. But its ok, a lot has changed since I started this thread.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on October 26, 2004, 07:23:37 AM
Wildcard, no harm putting it up. Some rich old crazy guy might donate a few millions some day ;). Anyway, I like the idea of ads. But please no popups =).


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: KiZ on October 26, 2004, 06:07:38 PM
And it's unfair if you, Wildcard are paying for the host which we all then use, far more frequently than you do....   So I would say that none of us have a right to tell you that we dont want ads on the main site. I mean, its easy for us to say, we arent paying for the site.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: na_th_an on October 27, 2004, 09:09:06 AM
If they help paying the bills, add them ASAP. I will just not look at them :D

Just try that they don't fuck up the layout.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: wildcard on October 27, 2004, 10:13:00 AM
As said before I'm not going with google ads or any banner/popup ads on the site or forums. Theres no major financial problems here, I was just thinking/testing out different possibilities. When some of the additions come in I may fix up the book section and the like.

Anyone up for some qbnews tshirts  :lol:


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Ruudboy on October 27, 2004, 11:18:27 AM
you could join the amazon affilate scheme


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Mech1031 on October 27, 2004, 11:22:53 AM
QBasic News T-shirts?!  WHERE?!

there was a point where i would say that, but not so much now.  I really don't see the problem with ads on the main site, like anybody visits it anymore (right?  I just go strait to the forum).  back to the T-shirts bit, if its something your seriously considering, don't use cafepress.com, they suck. i know from experience.

-Jim


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Z!re on October 27, 2004, 01:02:30 PM
Ads are fine, but not google ads.



(The poll is a bit hard to understand though, I voted: "Yes, but not google ads"... and I hope it means what i said above.)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Dr_Davenstein on October 27, 2004, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
Wildcard, no harm putting it up. Some rich old crazy guy might donate a few millions some day ;). Anyway, I like the idea of ads. But please no popups =).


Yeah, maybe Piptol. He's going to be 101 in a few days... or something.  :wtnod:

Seriously...
I don't mind a couple ads. I don't even care if they are Google's. If Google scans the page for keywords, wouldn't the ad content for a site like this be geared towards programmers? Who knows, they might actually have something that some us will want to buy. If it helps to keep QBNews around, then do it. ;)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: KiZ on October 28, 2004, 06:15:05 AM
Quote from: "wildcard"
Anyone up for some qbnews tshirts  :lol:



Me Me Me!

And while you're at it, mugs and mousemats!


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: relsoft on October 28, 2004, 09:39:15 AM
Sample banner:
"Genso's Junkyard. The place to be on a rainy day. :*)"


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Neo on October 28, 2004, 12:12:35 PM
Quote from: "wildcard"
Anyone up for some qbnews tshirts  :lol:

Yeah, I'd like a QBNews T-Shirt, as well as mousemats... mugs... QBNews A4 paper...

Quote from: "relsoft"
Sample banner:
"Genso's Junkyard. The place to be on a rainy day. :*)"

I think he wants to make money with adding banners ;)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on October 28, 2004, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: "Neo"
Quote from: "relsoft"
Sample banner:
"Genso's Junkyard. The place to be on a rainy day. :*)"

I think he wants to make money with adding banners ;)


why not, if rel's gonna pay him he may as well put it up =P.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Piptol on October 28, 2004, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: "Dr_Davenstein"
Quote from: "TheBigBasicQ"
Wildcard, no harm putting it up. Some rich old crazy guy might donate a few millions some day ;). Anyway, I like the idea of ads. But please no popups =).


Yeah, maybe Piptol. He's going to be 101 in a few days... or something.  :wtnod:


:lol:

Well ok, I invested in a test run of some QBN t-shirts and if I can flog them off for $300 each I might just break even..

(http://piptol.qbasicnews.com/stuff/qbntee.jpg)

The ads don't really bother me, so long as they're simple text. But I probably wouldn't click them either.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Ruudboy on October 29, 2004, 05:18:19 AM
why don't you join the amazon affiliate scheme, that is a nice way to make money go to Amazon affiliate scheme (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/subst/associates/join/associates.html/ref=cs_nav_bn_as/026-0358656-2222851)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: wildcard on October 29, 2004, 06:53:34 AM
Quote from: "Piptol"
Well ok, I invested in a test run of some QBN t-shirts and if I can flog them off for $300 each I might just break even..


Yeah you can sell them at the next QbasicnewsCon  :lol:

Theres no need to worry about ANY ads appearing on qbasicnews.com, I've organised alternate ways of making my webhosting pay for itself(and it probably doesn't involve random redirections on the forum  :rotfl: ).


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Neo on October 29, 2004, 08:58:22 AM
I'd buy one! :D (If you chop off a trailing zero that is... ;))

Where and when is the next QBNews conference? Keep it in Amsterdam! ;)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on October 30, 2004, 11:06:15 AM
i might buy one if you chop off the 2 zeros! =P


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: adosorken on October 30, 2004, 11:24:47 AM
wildcard, one way some sites make some extra money is by having a paypal donation link. It's sorta cheesey and tends to give the "I'm a beggar!" look to your site (depends on the site nature, really), but it works for some people.

Perhaps some of the qbasicnews Qmunity could chip in and help with costs? We're looking to sign a new contract at DBS right now and if (when) we win the bid, we'll donate some money to QBN.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Moneo on October 30, 2004, 10:52:47 PM
Quote from: "na_th_an"
If they help paying the bills, add them ASAP. I will just not look at them :D

Just try that they don't @$ up the layout.

I basically have the same feelings as Nathan. If a few ads help to continue financing this great site and forum, then I agree with allowing ads.
*****


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Mech1031 on October 30, 2004, 11:05:42 PM
i honestly cannot believe what i am reading here.  its just blowing my mind.  do you people really care that much that there are gonna be ads on the main page that i'm sure almost every one of you doesn't even visit anymore?!  thats like saying, "Were gonna put an oil rig in siberia", then having people protest it.

Get over yourselves!!!  they are just advertisements!  they won't kill you!

(the preceeding has been a rant by the Jim)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: adosorken on October 31, 2004, 12:33:35 AM
I have virtually all major advertising firms blocked already, so it doesn't matter to me...gotta love FireFox and the hosts file ;)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on November 01, 2004, 10:31:56 AM
Ado, paypal doesnt give the "I am a begger" appearance to the site. The owner/maintainers are asking something in return. If the people surfing the site like it then they can donate something they believe the site deserves.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: adosorken on November 01, 2004, 10:49:07 AM
I said it TENDS to give the appearance, I didn't say it WILL give the appearance. :P I also mentioned that it depends on the nature of the site.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on November 01, 2004, 11:03:43 AM
Well I dont think it gives a "I am begger" appearance until you actually say:
Quote
I am begging you to donate for this site. Pleeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzz!!!!


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: jatos on November 01, 2004, 05:07:11 PM
IF you want to make some money jsut sell qbn merchandise.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: oracle on November 01, 2004, 05:23:44 PM
And who is gonna make this merchandise? Who is gonna pay for making it? What happens if, in the likely scenario, we make too much? Who can afford the freight?

Go for ads, I say.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Neo on November 01, 2004, 05:59:31 PM
Merchandise production on special order! ;)


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: wildcard on November 01, 2004, 07:59:40 PM
Ok I know I did start the thread, but things have changed a lot since then, in terms of my own circumstances. Theres no need for ads on the site, and merchandise would be pointless in commerical terms(no reason not to do it, but would be just for fun though).


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Oz on November 01, 2004, 09:30:15 PM
well, im apposed to the whole advertising idea......
There aren't many relivant ads to QB

Oz~


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Fling-master on November 01, 2004, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: "Oz"
well, im apposed to the whole advertising idea......
There aren't many relivant ads to QB

Oz~


Not that it matters given what wildcard said in the post just above yours... there's not going to be any ads.


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Oz on November 01, 2004, 10:08:31 PM
Oh....i just read the title, voted and posted, and didn't get around to reading too much

 :oops:

Meh

Oz~


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: TheBigBasicQ on November 02, 2004, 06:42:11 AM
Yey no ads! :bounce:


Title: poll
Post by: MNDRBNDR on January 28, 2005, 10:02:03 PM
note that the poll is kind of double sided it asked if we minded that there be ads on the site yes/no/yes but not google: if you say no well no you dont mind and that there could be ads/ yes but not google means yes i mind but go ahead any way? i would rather not have ads but it is kinda a tricky question with ill worded answers


Title: Ads on the main site
Post by: Z!re on January 28, 2005, 10:16:58 PM
It's also kind of a dead topic.

"Tue Nov 02, 2004"