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Title: General programming ....
Post by: Agamemnus on January 15, 2006, 02:19:24 PM
There is no general programming subforum.

I would like to ask questions that are FB related, but since FB is similar to QB, and the FB questions are often related to newer features, there just isn't a forum for general BASIC issues.

It might be nice to create a subforum that doubly lists the combined FB and QB programming topics.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: DrV on January 15, 2006, 02:20:23 PM
I believe there is one: http://forum.qbasicnews.com/viewforum.php?f=11 :)


Title: General programming ....
Post by: KiZ on January 15, 2006, 10:43:24 PM
Dude, just put it in Fb help. Noone really cares what forum its in, it will still get answered.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Agamemnus on January 16, 2006, 11:40:56 PM
That's a forum for NON-QB or FB items.

I know it will get answered, but when, and by whom is the question..


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Sumo Jo on January 17, 2006, 05:29:30 AM
Quote from: "Agamemnus"
That's a forum for NON-QB or FB items.

I know it will get answered, but when, and by whom is the question..


So you're wanting a forum that basically combines the two forums: "QB in general" and "FB General" into one?


Title: General programming ....
Post by: na_th_an on January 17, 2006, 05:38:59 AM
What's wrong with General programming?


Title: General programming ....
Post by: KiZ on January 17, 2006, 11:45:18 AM
I see that just confusing people. There doesnt appear to be a real need for a forum like that.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Sumo Jo on January 17, 2006, 02:41:46 PM
Quote from: "KiZ"
I see that just confusing people. There doesnt appear to be a real need for a forum like that.


I agree.  Each language has a general forum if you need to post something more general.  Making a "QB/FB General" would leave people wondering which you're talking about per post (granted not much is different).


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Agamemnus on January 17, 2006, 07:30:08 PM
Hmm, perhaps.

Why not make a filter-forum add-on for people? :-O That would be interesting..

Anyway..

Can you change the wording of the general forum to make it "mainly for non-QB/FB issues", or "general programming/nonQB-FB issues", or something like that.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Deleter on January 17, 2006, 08:42:08 PM
i think people know what it is and making it wordy like that is just irritating and unncessary.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Sumo Jo on January 17, 2006, 09:52:39 PM
Quote from: "Agamemnus"
Hmm, perhaps.

Why not make a filter-forum add-on for people? :-O That would be interesting..

Anyway..

Can you change the wording of the general forum to make it "mainly for non-QB/FB issues", or "general programming/nonQB-FB issues", or something like that.


Maybe a post Icon mod would be helpful for people to just use a filter and find the posts they'd like to answer.

Actually I really like the post icon idea.  If someone could create some along the same style as these: (http://fileanchor.com/16775-r.gif)  (http://fileanchor.com/16776-r.gif)  (http://fileanchor.com/16777-r.gif), I would add the icons in and work with the mod idea.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: KiZ on January 17, 2006, 10:58:24 PM
nuuu

post icons suck!

:<


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Z!re on January 17, 2006, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: "KiZ"
nuuu

post icons suck!

:<
Quoted for emphasis..

Do not add them, they suck.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Moneo on January 17, 2006, 11:45:45 PM
IMHO the 16 subforums are already too many. It takes forever to scan through each of these to see if there's anything that I want to reply to.

For example: Do we really need Newbie Help, QB Programming Help, QB Projects, QB in General, and basically the same for Freebasic? The posts in these 8 subforums are really not categorized according to the subforum name.

People tend to post wherever they like. Newbies with questions don't restrict themselves to Newbie Help. Some Newbies will duplicate the post in several subforums to make sure they get attention. Some people will reply with FB code to questions asked in the QB subforums.

The more subforums we have the more these problems are compounded. You just can't pidgeon-hole people.

Take a look at PetesQBsite. There's only 4 subforums in total and these cover all the required topics.
*****


Title: Re: General programming ....
Post by: Rattrapmax6 on January 17, 2006, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: "Agamemnus"
I would like to ask questions that are FB related, but since FB is similar to QB, and the FB questions are often related to newer features, there just isn't a forum for general BASIC issues.


Um..... ?

Who cares? In the Basic BASIC they are the same....  If the Question is soo much like QB,. heh,. you could post in either FB Help or QB Help... it wouldn't matter much at all... You'd get the same help...  :wink: ..

Tho staying in the forum for the compiler would probably be nicer.. Cut's down on that QB vs FB stuff..


Title: General programming ....
Post by: na_th_an on January 18, 2006, 05:11:04 AM
The thing I consider *important* (we had this debate a while ago) is the diferentiation between "newbie help" and "help". If a newbie asks me how to print text to the screen, I point to the PRINT manual page and explain the doubts the poster may have after reading it.  If a non-newbie asks the same I assume that he wants something more sophisticated and the answer covers deeper and harder (whoah, that sounded very bad! :D) replies, with more techy/advanced stuff.

But hell yeah, I think there are way too many forums here :P

I'd rather mix QB and FB and ask people in the rules (which they never read) to specify whether they are using QB or FB.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Sumo Jo on January 18, 2006, 06:44:56 AM
I know some of you said you didn't like post icons, but if they were designed/customized for the forum, they would be a help.  Such as if we combined some forums, it would help someone differentiate between what's being talked about and allow less forums to be here.

Say we had a qb and a fb icon.

Also, I added them to fbtk, just to play around, so you can go here http://fbtk.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2 and see a forum with a lot of posts using the icons.  If we could get a set of about 20 icons, I think it would be helpful and allow the merging of a few of the less posted in forums so they don't appear to be so dead and allow people to check posts better.

I'm leaving this up to you guys.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: na_th_an on January 18, 2006, 07:30:54 AM
I think that, as long as they are informative and not annoying, I'm fine with them. FB and QB icons are a must. We could add a BASIC for other basics out there, but nothing stops us for specifying VB or VBNET also...

We shoud beware, anyway, 'cause the more features you add, the more prone the forum is to be misused :P


Title: General programming ....
Post by: KiZ on January 18, 2006, 10:36:08 AM
If you're talking about fb and qb post icons,
Does that mean you're....


merging some of the forums?!

D:


Title: General programming ....
Post by: na_th_an on January 18, 2006, 11:34:55 AM
That's what we are debating here, precisely. For example, I think there are way too many subforums. On an common day, how many posts are in each of the programming subforums, in average? two?

Many times, a QB or fB question and subsequent replies are valid for both fB and QB, specially in the newbies section. Having a BASIC help, BASIC newbies help, BASIC projects and BASIC in general is enough, IMHO. Then label the threads with QB, fB, VB, Other or General.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: red_Marvin on January 18, 2006, 12:31:24 PM
The combination of merging QB/FB forums and adding thread icons
showing the language sounds reasonable to me.

But icons conserning post importance Like "Attention!" "Help!" "HELP!!"
...No.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: na_th_an on January 18, 2006, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: "red_Marvin"
But icons conserning post importance Like "Attention!" "Help!" "HELP!!"...No.


Quoted for emphasis and full agreement.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Sumo Jo on January 18, 2006, 02:36:23 PM
Well attention would be for mods only.  Like for rules or announcements from mods.  On that mod at FBTK, in the admin panel there are options to set which icons can be used by each usergroup.


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Rattrapmax6 on January 18, 2006, 02:52:23 PM
How would these look:

(Smart Dark WIPs)
(http://members.aol.com/rattrapmax6/qbfiles/fb_icon.gif)

(http://members.aol.com/rattrapmax6/qbfiles/qb_icon.gif)

(http://members.aol.com/rattrapmax6/qbfiles/vb_icon.gif)

(http://members.aol.com/rattrapmax6/qbfiles/vbn_icon.gif)

 :roll: No transparency yet mind...  :wink: .. These are just wips...


Title: General programming ....
Post by: red_Marvin on January 18, 2006, 02:55:07 PM
Another example, userbars lookalike...
(http://fileanchor.com/16846-r.png)
(EDIT Scaling and stuff is possible, the original is SVG vector graphics)


Title: General programming ....
Post by: KiZ on January 19, 2006, 12:59:33 AM
FINE :p

as long as either the post icons look like rattraps or I get to design a set for subOracle >_>

Im so obsessed with having a nice looking forum..


Title: General programming ....
Post by: Agamemnus on January 21, 2006, 09:27:38 PM
The less is forced on to people, the better..